Futurology

3467 readers

106 users here now

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

voidx@futurology.today

Lugh@futurology.today

Espiritdescali@futurology.today

AwesomeLowlander@futurology.today

445

24 nations, incl. Australia, Britain, & The Netherlands will form a breakaway conference from the annual COP conference, without the petro-states, focused on permanently ending fossil fuel use. (futurology.today)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by Lugh@futurology.today to c/futurology@futurology.today

66 comments fedilink hide all child comments

The countries committed to permanently ending fossil fuel use now far outnumber those against. Their problem? Their chief organising conference, the 30-year-old COP conferences, comes with vetoes from the petro-states. This year, 1,600 fossil industry lobbyists attended, and they managed to get any mention of fossil fuels scrubbed from the final agreement.

This ridiculous state of affairs can't continue, and this is a classic move to break the deadlock. Sideline COP & the petrostates, by creating an alternative, they don't have power in.

The first ever International Conference on the Just Transition Away from Fossil Fuels, scheduled for April 2026.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Well, good luck, the type of society that doesn't use fossil fuels is completely different from what we look like now. But no one wants to face that, it's just performative theatre.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah, small steps towards that.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The type of society that does use fossil fuels looks completely different than we looked pre-industrial Revolution.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Correct, among those things, they had no way of supporting 8 billion people with 3% of the population working on farms. Or intercontinental travel measured in hours. Things like that.

What makes you think we aren't going back to that long term? That was what sustainable energy allowed. Or do you think it was just magical happenstance that office work and supersonic jets appeared around the same time as we started using fossil fuels?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

among those things, they had no way of supporting 8 billion people with 3% of the population working on farms. Or intercontinental travel measured in hours. Things like that.

Correct, and then new technologies where discovered and developed that allowed those things to exist.

JFC these countries aren't saying "let's ban all fossil fuels immediately and see what happens!" They are working on new methods to do things that don't require fossil fuels.

A super simple example for you: before fossil fuels there were no cars, then there were cars the required gasoline, now there are cars that can run off electricity, and we can get electricity from wind and Solar power.
A society in which all cars run off of electricity instead of gasoline would indeed look different from the society we have today, but it's not impossible and does not require the majority of the population working on farms again.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sigh. Technology without energy is a sculpture.

"A super simple example for you: before fossil fuels there were no cars, then there were cars the required gasoline, now there are cars that can run off electricity, and we can get electricity from wind and Solar power."

And there we go, the "we'll just all have electric cars".

Good luck with that. The future is horses, not electric Star Trek. Sorry.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

You've said literally nothing that discredits my argument or furthers yours.