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[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Religion and science are not compatiable. Science cares about truth, religion demands lies.

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, you have restated my position in fewer words.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well, they could be compatible under philosophy of Non-overlapping magisteria.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that science overlaps religious claims, and will continue to do so as we learn more about the universe.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, certain faiths overlap, but I could imagine a religion based in deism. That could be compatible for a little while longer. Yes, I do recognise this is just God of the gaps.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

If you had a religion that, as part of it's core system, explicitly yielded to science as it progresses... or a religion that explicitly framed all of its claims in such a way as to avoid all possible future contradictions with scientific discovery.. sure. I'm not a "religion expert" or anything but I'm not aware of any such religions. It sounds like a hypothetical, philosophical proposal.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, that's way too full of jargon for me to understand,

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It basically posits that there are two universes, the world of God and the world of nature and science and never the twain shall meet and affect each other.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Well that's feels completely nonsensical. If god isn't involved in our universe at all, its completely unreasonable to believe it exists.

[–] wischi@programming.dev -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Most sciences don't care about "truth" but care about models that predict the outcome of experiments. Even a model that works perfectly doesn't mean that this model is how the universe works. The universe could work completely different but the model happens to be very accurate anyway. Think about Newtowns laws of motion. They do not describe how the universe really works but the model is still pretty accurate and useful in many situations.

Even if we some day find a theory of everything, that still doesn't mean we know anything about the true nature of the universe. Just that everything we can observe is described by the model we developed.

[–] wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The current model is always defined as, "to the best of our current knowledge," not, "this is the answer." Often, a discovery is made that furthers our understanding of the rules of one tiny part of our existence, and through that knowledge come many other breakthroughs.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Is a model that accuratelty predicts outcomes not a true description of how things are interacting in the applicable scenarios???