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"The West" has no desire to conquer Russia. That is a lie that Russians tell to justify their aggression.
yeah, that WAS true, until Russia has been waging war against us for over TEN YEARS!
Russia has created a self-fulfilling prophecy. they need to be dismantled, disarmed and re-educated.
What the fuck are you talking about. As if the actions of the Russian state are some democratic groundswell of aggression from the people.
i'm talking about reality. whether you like it or not, this is Russia's war. it doesn't stop at Putin. he is facilitated by the entire apparatus.
Yes, in the same way that Jahmal Kashoggi’s murder was facilitated by the ordinary citizens of Saudi Arabia, or chat control was facilitated by the ordinary citizens of EU nations, the ordinary Russian is responsible for the aggression towards its neighbors. Or are we perhaps talking about problems caused by politicians and oligarchs that don’t actually answer to anybody in a meaningful way
like it or not, the complacency of the masses leads to all of this.
if they're all so anti-Putin like you suggest, they'll understand that they'll need to be occupied and disarmed after all of this.
Yeah obviously my beef isn’t with disarmament it’s with your comment about re-education, which means torturing and killing people. So we’ve still gone nowhere in this discussion.
re-education doesn't mean that. it means re-education. See German denazification.
if i wanted to torture and kill civilians, i'd just support Russia. much easier.
Oh, well that’s cherry picked, obviously ignores the connotation of most use cases like the ongoing Uighur “re-education”, and is a terrible example because it was an unpopular and ineffective program. Of indefinite detention. But if you don’t care about being understood by other people or about making a good point, you can use the word that way!
not at all. i explicated for you for your confusion. no one here is talking about China.
but if you want to have a bad attitude for no reason, that's on you.
I am on the cusp of getting sidetracked by a discussion of the fundamentals of communication theory. Let’s just ignore all of that for a while.
Let’s say you understand the de-nazification program as it unfolded in East and West Germany. What aspects of this program do you like and how will implementing them help the people of the world?
it seem you understood me just fine. that'll do.
you take care now.
Surprisingly yes, I tend to agree. I think you wanted to communicate a general desire for retribution and nothing deeper. I get the sentiment. I’m sorry. I hope we choose a different path.
Still not getting it, but that's fine. It doesn't matter.