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Christ on a stick. Universal healthcare has nothing to do with socialism. Government programs that serve the public are part of the government’s core purpose in the first place.
It is remarkable how many people on this platform champion “socialism” when what they actually mean is social democracy. The difference is substantial.
Socialism does not work. It has never worked. No nation has prospered under socialism, and none will as long as scarcity remains.
Why should only healthcare work if run by government? Government could run all industries.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... If you're not that's the most brain dead thing I've ever heard in a long time.
Why can't the government serve the public and provide all needed goods and not just healthcare? Where is the limit that prevents socialism?
Socialism doesn't preclude the end of Private Business.
If the government controlled all private businesses where would they get money to operate? How woukd they collect taxes? How do you encourage innovation? philanthropy?
Like in health care, the businesses continue to make money. The government can continue to tax its businesses or use all profits.
Innovation is usually the argument against government healthcare. If that is not a problem for you, why should there be one in other areas? However, most research is publicly funded anyway.
Philanthropy would also have to shift to the state. The state funds theaters and museums. It could take care of more causes.
Where do you see problems?
The system you describe only works when it is exporting goods and services.
Can you explain why, please? If the state sets the prices correctly or allocates enough resources, it should work.
Where do the taxes come from? Has to be more than government funding otherwise the government is paying itself.
Companies can still pay taxes if they are owned by the government.
If it is socialism without money, taxes are not needed but the country has to sell something on international markets to buy needed raw materials and services.
It appears you’re arguing from a fundamental misunderstanding of the system you’re defending. You’re describing expanded government programs inside a market economy. That is not socialism. That is social democracy.
Under actual socialism, the state owns the means of production. There is no private sector to tax. There is no flow of revenue from independent businesses because those businesses no longer exist as independent entities. Your points about taxation, profit collection, and philanthropy only make sense inside a mixed economy, precisely the system you claim to be replacing.
In other words, you’re defending a model that isn’t the one under discussion. You’re arguing for more public services, not socialism. These are completely different frameworks, and conflating them is why your reasoning keeps circling without connecting.
How would socialism keep track of value? The USSR had money.
You're question is nonsensical and does not rebut any of my statements.
Socialism has nothing to do with value. The value of something is intrinsic to itself and has nothing to do with any kind of governmental system.
I have explained to you what socialism is in comparison to capitalism corporatocracy and social democracy and you still don't even understand what socialism is. Do you understand that you don't understand the definition of the word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
I understand that you limit socialism to non-market socialism.
Without markets, scarcity is indeed much more difficult to handle. But there is also scarcity in a single payer healthcare system. If it can be handled there, why does it not scale to the entire economy?
You are reciting information that you yourself do not understand.
I am not limiting socialism to non-market systems you are that's what you said.
Scarcity in a for-profit healthcare system isn't handled it's what makes it profitable in the first place.
Sir or madam I implore you to stop this.
I will continue to respond to you because someone has to. Socialism does not work it is a detriment to human society I will fight against it at every turn especially from ignorant people such as yourself.
Unless of course you're bot which I just realized was very likely because what you're saying doesn't make any sense none of it does.
What's your argument against it working if single payer healthcare works?
The begining of this whole conversation was me explaining how universal healthcare has nothing to do with socialism and I have explained to you multiple times how what you're describing is social democracy which is not socialism.
Can you tell me that you are acknowledging what I'm saying instead of asking nonsensical questions and avoiding my core statements like you're some kind fundamentalist evolution denier talking to an atheist calling show on YouTube?
That's your explanation. I quoted Wikipedia showing that there can be a flow of revenue. So why can't socialism work like single payer healthcare?
That was in response to your statement.
You claimed there was no private business involved, and I already addressed that. You’ve now quoted the very text I used in rebuttal.
Once again: what you’re describing is social democracy, not socialism. Universal healthcare does not require socialism to exist.
Take countries like Canada, France, or even Cuba, which is a socialist country. Their universal healthcare systems rely on taxing businesses to fund them.
The private sector supplies the healthcare infrastructure, and the government subsidizes that care for the population.
I encourage you to look up what a subsidy is, how taxation works, and how economies function across different forms of government. You lack the fundamental understanding needed to have a meaningful discussion about these topics, let alone form an informed opinion.
So far, you have not acknowledged anything I’ve stated. You still do not understand what socialism is, you do not grasp its definition, and you do not understand what you are advocating for.