This is very old news, but very telling when you consider the 'peace' that Trump is trying to push for. His quote was “I mean, he’s taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. I’d say that’s pretty smart,”.

This is on Feb 24th, just hours into the invasion, and Trump - a private citizen at this point - already knows what Putin's objectives are. When he had explicitly not declared, and was still sitting on the "SMO" nonsense to de-nazify Ukraine.

Yet Trump is already aware that the goal is total conquest, and he's celebrating it. The stalled line of tanks to Kyiv and even Hostomel airport hadn't happened yet.

It's an old, old soviet trick, to get certain useful idiots in the west talk about the need for peace, sow confusion and dissent, while Moscow makes war to achieve it's objectives. What they really mean is - you should surrender. He's not a peacemaker. He's an agent of the enemy. And you should consider that before agreeing to anything he's proposing.

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[–] TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They have been quiet, but aren't stupid. Ukraine doesn't have to accept a deal just because Trump tries to force them. He had already squandered the best leverage he had when he ended meaningful hardware transfers, and made Europe buy U.S. weapons to give to Ukraine.

Loud is usually dumb, and Trump certainly is both. He always tries to posture like he has more leverage than he actually does. Ukraine accepting their terms would be historic and cultural suicide - Zelensky and his advisors know this. I'd say look for them to put on poker faces and drag their feet a bit, inserting conditions in a slow drip that they know Russia won't want to accept. Already, Russia moved off their initial call to limit the size of Ukraine's armed forces from 600k to 800k (the size they are right now). Not that this clause has ever been enforceable or even countable in any other conflict. The Allies put severe restrictions against the Germans after the treaty of versailles, and that was never adhered to.

Russia is in a very shitty position, so they'll pretend to be ultra stronk

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I have never believed in this US-Ruz Plan, so personally I can't take it seriously. I think strategically that in the end, we have to force Ruzzia in a position that they'll have no other option but to ask for a ceasefire and real negotiations. Unfortunately, I see no other way they will stop. Could very well be that we are reaching this point faster then we think, like you said.

I'd say look for them to put on poker faces

For sure, this is the way.

The Allies put severe restrictions against the Germans after the treaty of versailles, and that was never adhered to.

Yes. Had never thought of that.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

and made Europe buy U.S. weapons to give to Ukraine.

At a 10% added premium no less!!