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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's no villain in Frozen (there's a twist where the sister's love interest is revealed to have ulterior motives, but he wasn't actually driving the core conflict at the center of the movie, that Elsa's secrecy around her powers have endangered the whole kingdom and her sister's life). At most, the bad people in the movie are merely taking advantage and scheming through chaos they didn't cause.

There's no villain in Encanto, either. They suggest it might be Uncle Bruno a few times early on, but his reclusivity and secrecy is driven by the family dynamics, that pushing down/hiding the truth is strongly discouraged in that family so that they don't talk about their problems, until they simmer a bit too long and cause cracks in the family (and literal cracks in their magical house).

The "villain" in Moana turns out to be more of the natural consequences of past actions, and the way to "defeat" the villain is to apologize, make things right, and return what belongs to her. The antagonists along the way on that hero's journey are what I'd cynically refer to as opportunities to sell branded merchandise.

The Zootopia villain is revealed at the very end, as well. But the "antagonists" along the way are social, cultural, and political forces that make it hard to solve the mystery and pinpoint the problem.

Wreck It Ralph reveals a villain at the end, as well, but the problems they're trying to overcome are a combination of social expectations (Ralph is sick of being seen as a villain, Vanelope just wants to be accepted) and kinda the Eldritch horror of being trapped in a simplified world controlled by the higher world's much more complex rules where nobody will think twice about simply pulling the plug (both literally and figuratively) on societies full of sentient beings after their whole universes no longer serve the trivial purposes for which they were created.

Strange Planet I only saw once, but I don't remember a villain at all. Just that the planet was dying and it turned out to be because of big oil or whatever industry was a stand in for big oil.

Raya and the Last Dragon? As I remember, the main antagonist was shadowy forces threatening everything, and the human antagonists with actual agency mainly were motivated out of selfishness when teamwork/cooperation could've saved them all.

These are clearly different styles and plot devices than what was a traditional Disney villain (wicked witches and stepmothers, the gay-coded 90's villains like Ursula, Jafar, Scar) who were introduced early as bad people doing the bad things that caused the central conflict in the story.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are different kinds of villains.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Frozen might be a bit of a fuzzy one, but there's no villain in Encanto or Moana, by any reasonable metric. Antagonist != villain.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I personally like the theory that the rock trolls are the true villains in Frozen, and manipulated all the key events that actually set the main conflicts on motion (including the earlier things that set up the conflicts in Frozen 2).