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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

No, this is entirely wrong. We produce well above what's necessary for everyone to live decent lives, the distribution of what we produce is extremely uneven. Domestically, capitalists have incredible sums of wealth that they use for luxury goods, entire companies, etc. The money capitalists have comes from sale of commodities. Capital appreciation still comes from that original sale and circulation of commodities. There are some genuinely non-productive industries, such as landlording, but by and large we overproduce, which is what leads to economic crisis every decade or so.

Internationally, we have imperialism. Capitalists from the imperialist countries like the US export capital to the global south, and set up comprador regimes so as to keep wages low and prevent these countries from advancing industry. This lets the global north keep a monopoly on high tech production and allows the global north to consistently charge monopoly prices when trading with the global south, leading to unequal exchange and a continuous siphoning of wealth. It's why the Congo keeps staying poor despite being rich in resources.

Capitalism cannot be fixed, period. It's an unsustainable system, and cannot be regulated to fix its issues. The Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall is consistent, and the production of goods for the sake of profit rather than use leads to constant overproduction and even destruction of goods to keep prices higher. The state in capitalist systems is subservient to the capitalist class, not the people.

We overproduce, but because of how lopsided distribution is, a tiny handful gets the overwhelming share of what we produce to the point that the majority go without. This is even more extreme at a global level. Productivity has steadily gone up year over year, but as the tendency for the rate of profit to fall persists, so too has capitalism's decline accelerated.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Luxury spending is less than 1% of spending in the U.S.
To understand how it's mostly a zero sum game, you've got to ignore numerical money metrics and look at real resources used by, and provided by people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's misleading, first of all. "Luxuries," as in Gucci, Prada, etc, aren't the only way capitalists spend their money. They also consume greater quantities of other commoditied, and higher quality versions not deemed "luxuries." More than that, thry buy land, companies, factories, etc in a large feedback loop of greater and greater money, pay off politicians, and more.

Secondly, your entire argument that the reason we can't provide for everyone is because we don't produce enough is thwarted by the simple fact that vast amounts of commodities go unsold or are even destroyed. I'm aware that there's a finite amount that is produced, I'm also aware that we have more empty homes than homeless people and more.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

That larger feedback loop is bad yes, but it's mostly independent of the resources and services that people need and provide as part of normal life. Yes rich people also use more non-luxury items, but the working class also buy some luxury items, which I suspect more than offsets that since there are so many more of the working class.
I'm not sure what commodities you are talking about that get destroyed. I know some agriculture gets wasted and I understand that to be mostly a shipping issue and because of huge mostly automated farming systems, or artificial government investment for the sake of job creation. I'd be curious to know what percent of the overall economy this destruction that you mention is. Empty homes is a big problem resulting from people gaming the system for monitory profit instead of real productivity - and that's where we need more government regulation - which is actually happening now in a number of North American cities.
Look, I'm not saying capitalism is so great. But just that the billionaires raking in more and more isn't inherently a problem - unless they also controll the government so that there can't be meaningful regulations. Of course, that's about where we are now in the U.S., and as soon as we are no longer effectively a democracy and the government no longer adjusts rules to ensure the working class gets enough benefits of the productivity, then it will all fall apart and those billionaires and politicians will end up with their heads on pikes, and rightly so.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

But those billionaires only can eat so much food. They may pay $300 a plate for caviar, but it's just a bit of food. They have super fancy cars and houses, but there aren't enough of them to 'use up' significant resources for those things. The money/capital they own isn't very relevant to the zero sum system of production and consumption. Sure it's super unfair and more so when international politics allows even more abuse. The problem with somewhere like Congo is that the government is dysfunctional and corrupt - they should be taxing the fuck out of all

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You're severely underselling the extensive wealth billionaires have, the lavish luxuries and pet projects they have. They build schools specifically for training their children, they hunt endangered species, they create survival bunkers and consume huge amounts of luxury commodities. Houses sit vacant, food is thrown away, and billions of people go without. The capital and money they own is significant, as money is used as a gatekeeper for consumption of goods and services. Taxing cannot fix this, nor can it stop the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. I don't know if you realize just how big a problem for capitalism falling profit rates are.

Secondly, with respect to the Congo, you're confusing the symptom for the cause. Imperialist interference in the Congo is what sets up compradors in power. They don't need taxation, they need nationalization and protectionism, as well as to do more south-south trade such as with China. Kicking out the US and Europe would do wonders for their domestic development, but this is kept difficult by direct interference from imperialist countries. It's why the US Empire has hundreds of millitary bases around the world. The Congo needs socialism.

We overproduce goods and services, and let them rot on shelves and destroy them when they aren't sold. We do not underproduce, and anyone that is familiar with industrialization and manufacturing can tell that we can satisfy the needs of everyone on Earth already with a socialist economy.