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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The dominance hierarchy is one where the proletariat rules over the bourgeoisie. After that we end class altogether. You're way out of your depth here

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy

Ahh yes, the proletariat rules over the bourgeois, but the proletariat are not smart enough to rule, so some enlightened elite must rule for them, let me guess, you? The closet aristocrat?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mate your ignorance is glaring here. There are many socialisms. There's Marxism-Leninism which warrants a vanguard, there's anarchism which believes in decentralisation, there's democratic confederalism which is a fusion of the state and decentralisation. You're so ignorant it's not even slapstick.

This is why you're not intelligent. You're wrong, but some dogma is holding you back and i don't know what it is.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Any form of socialism is not feasible without human consciousness evolving into some kind of singularity. You’ve already contradicted yourself and betrayed the principles of Marxism by claiming the proletariat would dominate the bourgeois. If socialism is about the worker owning the means of production, there is no bourgeois class, except for the worker. In the real world, all you get is some type of authoritarian state capitalism.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any form of socialism is not feasible without human consciousness evolving into some kind of singularity

Bruh what😂.That's just not true. The workers only need to be class conscious. That means they need to realise that they're oppressed and must revolt. That's all that is necessary. We've gotten close many times, but those opportunities have been squandered. Once again, i refer you to the Occupy Wall Street movement which started to put capitalism back into the minds of the working class.

by claiming the proletariat would dominate the bourgeois. If socialism is about the worker owning the means of production, there is no bourgeois class, except for the worker.

The bourgeoisie would be in a constant bid to reinstate itself throughout socialism. This fight not only exists within the state's own borders, but outside of it. This is the main fight. That is what is meant by this. I don't have quotes on hand, but I can find you specific Marx quotes if you're adamant about it.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The old theories are obsolete, the modes of production replaced by modes of representation. No matter how much you pray and recite your holy scripture, paradise never comes. Marxist theory is as relevant as phrenology.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Your position has changed many times throughout our discussion, from faulty use of Fisher's theory, to raving about dominance hierarchies and now you've settled on "the theory is outdated".

The theory is not in fact outdated because it's based on historical materialism which is widely accepted among academics and has proven itself to be true. In fact dialectical materialism was extrapolated to form the basis of the conflict theory which many sociologists use to explain 'why' and 'how' conflicts develop in society, like between different races, the patriarchy etc.

There's an argument to be made that the economic system that is "socialism" is outdated, but that's another argument; the philosophy underlying it however is not. Every Marxist whether anarchist, Leninist, syndicalist and so on agrees that capitalism will end; everyone's just arguing about whose type it's going to be.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Historical materialism is unfalsifiable, it’s in the same category as praxeology. Junk science.

Marx version of conflict theory is similar to the claim that the sun revolves around the earth, inadequate.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

You don't even attempt to rebut the theories. Just slinging around insults. You're just a troll i guess