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Tucker Carlson’s interview with the activist revealed the mainstream right is being flooded by extremism – and it’s now impossible to contain

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[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You’re entire comment comes from a flawed position, I don’t need to focus on particulars when your entire premise is wrong.

Instead of engaging my comment, you fall back on logical fallacies. Your pseudoscientific analysis points to a lack of understanding of reality itself. It’s almost like your entire worldview was formed by propaganda coming through a screen.

Go ahead and explain how people in general are going to spontaneously evolve beyond the human condition. I do not ascribe good or bad to it, I just find it important to maybe you know, start from an accurate position.

He is hitting a point of contradiction within modern American conservative thought as well as that of Zionism. But contradictions are fundamental to right wing thought and should be seen as more of a "shift" when their talking heads and leaders admit to them.

Signifying chains may appear contradictory, but they are not. There is no commitment to any previous meaning, it can simply be resignified.

It is why right wing politics most logical conclusion is Nazism. Because it completely lacks the tools of dialectic and historical materialism that leftist use to analyze the world. To understand the Imperialism of America IS Israel. They are one in the same.

This is what makes my previous comments relevant. The tools you used are inadequate, it’s pseudoscience. I did not make an “appeal to nature,” I made empirical observation showing that your argument is invalid.

The right winger will believe the lie that Israel is important to the US because it is "a safe place for Jews". When this doesn't impact them personally they don't really care (as we've seen for decades). But, as the material conditions of the working class decline they are less supportive of this. They will quickly revoked "the white card" for Jews in America. They see immigrants being rounded up, put in camps, but their life is still not improving. Their job still sucks and groceries are more expensive than ever. They ask - "What undeserving minority is still hurting me?" At least this is the narrative being fed to them by people like Nick.

From your (il)logical position, you build an argument based on fallacy after fallacy. Strawman, hasty generalization, post hoc, appeal to emotion, slippery slope.

Fuentes is not gaining traction because material conditions deteriorate, its because his message was amplified in right wing media circles, and his message is seductive. Social media has somewhat decentralized control over messaging, so regardless of material conditions, a seductive message would gain popularity.

The logical conclusion for them, because they lack class consciousness, is MORE rascism and xenophobia. What makes "the Jews" so special? Why is our money going to a genocide?

The left also lacks “class consciousness,” so why are they not seduced by rascist, xenophobic messages? Maybe because their signifying chains take an inverse position?

It's at this point they even leverage leftist talking points in support of Gaza. But never never direct it towards the American Empire and the interest of the capitalist class.

Israel is used as a door to target Jews. And it's perfect for them because all this time the other conservative party (the Democratic party) has been supporting Israel without hesitation. So, it's simple to label them as "the left" whenever convenient to do so. It's a key role that the Democratic party plays in the right wing shift of American politics. To be the contradiction that masks the contradictions of the far right.

Here is evidence that disproves your assertions and renders your argument invalid:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union

The only true conflict within the American right is whether or not hating Jews will negatively impact the settler colonialist project that is important to maintain American imperialist interest in West Asia. And it's not really a conflict but more a hesitation of capital to make that shift. The far right ideology that supports them wants it. But the profit incentives and Imperialism will always come first.

Incorrect. American popular support for Israel is projected to decline, there is a threshold of tolerance that overrides “profit incentives and Imperialism.”

So, really, there is no conflict. There is only a shift and the illusion of a conflict. We were always heading here. Will some talking heads and politicians miss this boat? Ben Shapiro comes to mind. Yes. Yes they will. But was this always where things were headed? Yes.

The US will always continue to maintain it's support of Israel. Because Israel and America are one in the same. Not because America is "controlled by Jews" but because Israel is just an extension of US imperialism.

America will always support Israel? That’s a long time. You make this prediction based on your cognitive bias and (il)logical reasoning.

The only dialectical change that is occuring is the push now by the far right to stop pretending. To stop pretending that the right wing is anything but the American Nazi party.

If the right wing is the “nazi party,” why do they support Israel? The establishment uses parafascism to bring extremist elements to their side, but has no interest in transforming society into some mythical utopia of the past.

Does Nick really want support for Israel to stop? Probably he does. He is not a leftist. He doesn't actually understand material interest of American empire or look at things through that lense.

Most leftists don’t either. Most leftists only take an adversarial position of America and ignore the rest of the world and history.

Will the interest of capital allow anti Jewish hatred into the ruling class in order to maintain the scapegoat for fascism? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean they will stop supporting capitalist interest in Israel. It just means that hatred of Jews will be allowed along with all other minorities.

America will literally fly the Swastika over the white house and still support Israel. A fascist ethnostate is exactly what Nazis want for white people at home. They would deport Jewish Americans to Israel if they can. That conversation is coming.

Your entire worldview is built on logical fallacy and propaganda. The extreme right is the group being placed on the altar of sacrifice, they are unleashed for the purpose of making them so intolerable, everyday Americans will accept any draconian measures to be rid of them.

It is has been said that Antisemitism is the dumb man's class conflict. And that is exactly what is happening now. The American working class lacks any class consciousness or organization and is ripe for further exploitation built on antisemitic rhetoric.

Welcome to the society of the spectacle, its not the working class who are stupid, but the “intellectual” (you) who doesn’t understand them or even the basic fundamentals of reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Signifying chains may appear contradictory, but they are not. There is no commitment to any previous meaning, it can simply be resignified.

You clearly don't understand what I'm even talking about in the context you quoted. If you did you'd realize you're just repeating what I said. You aren't even disagreeing with me. I was literally explaining how they appear as contradictions to the current narrative of the right wing at the moment. Which results in a shift of the narrative to align it closer to their true ideology (something they usually hide the totality of). I wasn't saying it was a contradiction to right wing ideology at it's core.

I think you're so ready to disagree with me you didn't even understand what I wrote. It's clear you're not actually looking to have a conversation. You decided you disagree with me when you read the words "historical materialism" and didn't even bother trying to understand what was written. Do better.

Also, you sound like a 12 year old debate lord listing off logical fallacies they learned last week without actually doing any of the work logically to conclude them. You might think it sounds smart. But it really just makes you sound childish. Especially when you didn't actually do any logical analysis to conclude to them in the first place. Logical fallacies aren't a shopping list mate. You wrote so much and said so little.