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Ukraine, European Allies Reject Key Parts of US-Russia Plan (www.bloomberg.com)

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[+] echodot@feddit.uk -21 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Well that was obviously going to happen. Ukraine has no reason to concede territory to Russia, Russia has completely failed to be able to make any progress for over a year now, Putin cannot keep this war going much longer so all Ukraine has to do is continue to hold out until something internal happens and the oligarchs decide that Putin's war is costing them and then they'll deal with him on their own.

Meanwhile Europe really does not want to set the precedent that Russia can invade a country and then just have everyone give up fighting after a while. If they do Russia will use that to eat away at Europe.

Is the Trump administration were not so intellectually challenged, they would realise this.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine has no reason to concede territory to Russia,

This MFer would have been like 'Germany has no reason to concede territory to Russia' as the Red Army stormed into Berlin

[–] demerit@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Echo Dot in 1945: Germany cant make peace, otherwise it will reward soviet union aggression. They also cant give up land because they wrote it in the constitution.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 months ago

We need to hammer into liberals that it doesnt matter where the borders are goddam drawn, every day that passes 1000's of people are forced to murder one another because of nationalism, I've had a lot of indepth conversations with IRL people I know, emphasizing that the best day to surrender would have been day 1 - no amount of lives where worth this bullshit, the failure starts with the upper classes refusal to try to settle this.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 4 months ago

Thanks for injecting some levity into this otherwise serious discussion.

[–] Bart@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

/s ?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 months ago

no chance

[–] SNAFU@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 months ago

Not making any advances? Putin can't keep the war going? How long has that been said for? Three, Five years? This guy liberals, like a broken record.

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 4 months ago

Man I really wonder what it's like living in the reality you think any of this is true

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Banderite apologism. Liberals defending nazis every chance they get.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Russia has completely failed to be able to make any progress for over a year now

Russia is taking 52 km sq daily now... Up from 30 at the beginning of the year. Ukraine is running out of fortified cities.

Putin cannot keep this war going much longer so all Ukraine has to do is continue to hold out until something internal happens and the oligarchs decide that Putin’s war is costing them and then they’ll deal with him on their own.

The last oligarch who tried something like that got a visit from the Speznaz.

Meanwhile Europe really does not want to set the precedent that Russia can invade a country and then just have everyone give up fighting after a while. If they do Russia will use that to eat away at Europe.

What no knowledge of the conflict does to a mf'er.