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I really recommend you read the article.
I did read it. It was a long read about how the civilians deaths was a result of IDF killing indiscriminately and any civilian deaths by Hamas hands were accidental since civilians ended up in firefights when they were hindered by the IDF. Or if it wasn't accidental it was because of individuals not listening to Hamas orders of not targeting civilians.
Accordingly, all footage of Hamas gunning down festival visitors should be from just these few individuals. Why they kidnaped other visitors is not explained.
If all the points from the article would be true, it means that Hamas is wildly incompetent and lack control over their soldiers.
And this does still not change the fact that the festival was attacked and people was kidnapped. If the plan is to stop imminent Israeli aggression with a plan years in the making and you stumble upon a festival full of civilians you go around it and not through it. If your orders are not to target civilians you don't stop to kidnap them, you continue on to get those military targets. And you don't put bodycams on 'individuals' who murders civilians.
I don't know about you, but to me; kidnapping civilians that were put in the line of fire, and then being framed for their deaths (which, as the article points out, happened mostly outside of the site of the rave); is far better than "attacking a music festival and killing everyone in sight". That, I'll remind you, is where we started out at.
I also tend to believe that a civilian taken hostage with intent to negotiate for their release is far better than a dead civilian. I'd even venture to say it's better than one kidnapped and held indefinitely, like the over 9,000 Palestinians held by Israel to this day.
In fact, if you're so worried about kidnapping, you should ask Israel about the aforementioned Palestinian "prisoners" that are being held without charge or trial, routinely assaulted, and deprived of basic necessities. You know, the ones that might be freed in exchange for an Israeli captured from, say, a "music festival" that armed forces stumbled upon in the middle of a military offensive.
You must be pretty experienced with life as an armed resistance fighter inside a concentration camp, though, to so comfortably impose your own decision making on them. I suppose I can't say what would have happened if they just went around the festival (which I can safely assume you know for a fact that both the option to do so, and the necessity to choose that option, was clear to the fighters on the ground before they ever engaged with the armed forces there) and asked nicely for their friends and family back. Maybe the ravers would have just stayed in a nice protective bubble, and Israel wouldn't have just found another excuse to ramp up the genocide and apartheid they were already subjecting Palestinians to. Of course, the correct and moral decision is so plainly obvious! Maybe the key to peace was never to resist at all, at least for as long as the side that is happy to indiscriminately kill even their own civilians is able to put those civilians in the way of otherwise legitimate military offensives. Hm, what was that about human shields?
So anyways; sarcasm and vast exaggerations of what the article is outlining aside. If it doesn't change things for you that hundreds of deaths (very likely the majority of those on 10/7, based on the evidence shared in the article) have been both misrepresented and wrongly attributed to the armed wing of Hamas; the only force willing and able to defend Gaza and win back what is legally their own territory; by the force that is responsible for those civilians being there in the first place, and for the order to kill any civilians in the region that might be taken hostage; in order for Israel to make those false claims, delegitimize the government in Gaza as a whole, and build a false premise for their ongoing extermination of Palestinians; then we simply aren't going to agree here and I doubt any amount of facts or evidence would convince you of Palestine's legitimacy.