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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

Not too sure about that. We're pals-y with plenty of authoritarian states. Even in the late 2000s and early 2010s we were so desperate to include Russia, corruption and authoritarianism and all, in the international order.

Above everything, you can get in good with the current international order simply by not making trouble for other countries. Russia, apparently, couldn't abide by even that minor restriction.

[-] solivine@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

Honestly if Russia didn't do a full scale invasion and just annexed the lands they were originally aiming for I think the west would have probably ignored it like all their other activities in the region.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

I suspect the irritation over the previous annexation of Crimea and Ukraine's increasingly pro-Western orientation would have led to a Western response even if the invasion wasn't full scale, but it's certainly not impossible that the West would've prioritized keeping things 'calm' over protecting Ukraine's sovereignty in such a scenario.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

desperate to include Russia

This is not historically accurate

this post was submitted on 15 Sep 2023
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