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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 90 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Genuinely astonished at how dogshit the Democratic party is at negotiating or even just behaving like an opposition party. How do you walk away with a worse deal than the one you were offered before negotiations started?

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

There are 47 senators + 213 representatives that are Dems or caucus with the Dems for a total of 260 total legislators.

It only took 8 of them, or 3%, to fuck over the rest. 97% of the party and independents that caucus with the party were screwed over by that 3%.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I find it suspicious that it was the exact amount of votes needed, all of whom just happen to not be up for reelection next year. Feels like they just happened to be the senators for whom it was "safest" to piss people off.

[–] solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

That's how the vote buying and horse trading works. They don't waste money or political capital getting extra votes on board, it's a buy and sell game, not anyone actually voting their conscience.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 4 points 2 days ago

It is likely that getting the exact amount was actually difficult, and it isn't like the party came out ahead by folding the way they did. It is more likely that the ones who chose short term results on SNAP and paychecks over sky high healthcare costs starting in 2026 expect people to have forgotten it by then. It really does seem like they just didn't believe that the long term gains were worth the short term pains for whatever stupid reasons they have.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

But yet again (because this happens on every critical vote) they won't face any consequences for their "betrayal". The real traitors are the Democratic leadership like Chuck Schumer who once again allowed this to happen, and who according to some sourced, "negotiated" the deal in the first place.

[–] dontsayaword@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That may be sightly generous; Since the action was in the senate you could say it was 8+1 (counting Schumer) out of 47 senators, which is almost 1 in 5 senate dems, including the senate minority leader himself. It's not a complete fringe.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 2 days ago

It was a response to a comment about the party as a whole so including the representatives who opposed in both chambers seemed relevant.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They got what their handlers wanted?