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I’m going to have to disagree that personal, physical autonomy is a valid discussion up for debate in the public sphere.
The only discussion should be between the person carrying the fetus who bears all the risk and responsibility and their medical professional.
The fact that it is even considered valid to be debated shows just how much propaganda works.
You've missed my point. I don't actually care where you stand on when and how it's decided that a given abortion is allowed; my point was that you can have the discussion without resorting to religioun based arguments.
No, I got your point. But it shouldn’t be considered a discussion worth having either religious or humanist. Overall I agreed with it, just not the example.
Your conviction about one possible position being correct has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the conversation should be had. ~~If your position is so concrete, a discussion should be no issue for you, as you can never convince anyone else with a simple "my position is right, everything else is wrong."~~
Edit: that part is phrased awkwardly. What I think I'm trying to get at is that no matter how strong your personal conviction, the conversation still needs to be had, since not everyone agrees with you. Of the people who disagree, yes some are essentially lost causes on that topic, but others can still be convinced. You can't do that convincing if you always try to just shut down all conversation.