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Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.

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[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How does he not have a corrupt DNC behind him?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because Martin has a decade long track record of running fair primaries and putting 100% effort behind anyone who makes it to the general...

Like, you don't have to put faith in Ken Martin, I'm sure as fuck never going to use "faith" to influence my politics.

But he's a known variable. There is zero indication he's going to act like the prior corrupt chairs (Tim Kaine who voted with republicans here was literally one of the corrupt chairs tho).

Especially since their power came from controlling the purse strings to state parties, and Martin is freely giving that power away by giving the money back to state parties, and has been for months.

I'm confident he won't weild the DNC as a club, because he's whittling it back down into the pencil it was always meant to be. Even if he does a 180 and the chair corrupts him, he wouldnt be able to do what prior chairs were doing.

If Martin starts fucking up, and you stay on Lemmy, I'm almost positive I'll be the first one you hear it from. This shit is too important for blind loyalty to anyone. The second he starts fucking around, I'm gonna be bitching about it.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Personally I've been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016. If that's not so then its really important to make that a news item. This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.

[–] snowby@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“I took this job to fight Republicans, not Democrats,” he added. “As I said when I was elected, our fight is not within the Democratic Party, our fight is and has to be solely focused on Donald Trump and the disastrous Republican agenda. That’s the work that I will continue to do every day.”

It's the same DNC. Ken Martin has committed to not doing anything internally and only focusing externally on Trump. We will have to see how this bold strategy plays out again.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016

That makes zero logical sense tho...

The DNC is the chair, the chair is the DNC. They have complete power and zero rails. In 2016 only the chair knew that Hillary was paying the DNC bills and in return she had final say over anything the DNC did.

If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item.

If you're waiting for billionaire owned media to tell you that billionaires lost the fight over the DNC...

You're always going to be waiting.

If you're waiting for non-billionaire owned media...

Well, I don't know why you're still waiting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

https://democrats.org/news/dnc-and-asdc-announces-organize-everywhere-win-anywhere-strategy-largest-ever-monthly-dnc-investment-into-democratic-state-and-territory-parties/

This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.

Yes. That's literally what I'm saying... That is the result they want.

The few Dems in office doing this, are doing it to turn people against the party, because the neoliberals only shot at winning the next presidential primary, is if most Dem voters don't vote in it.

Even if it means republicans winning the general, they'd prefer that to a progressive becoming president. If that happens, the neoliberals will never get power again.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did the billionaires really lose the fight over the DNC? I remain unconvinced because of these linked articles. No I'm not waiting for billionaire media to convince me or anyone. I'm not an idiot.

I'm saying if its the case that the DNC is trustworthy and not actually rooting for Schumer's surrender monkey tactics, its important that that is communicated somehow to voters. But an interview or press release is not going to cut it. How about they provide evidence by taking some action, like cutting Schumer and the rest off from campaign funds? Or something.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago

I’m saying if its the case that the DNC

Stop thinking of it as "the DNC".

It's whoever the chair is. It's a fucked system and we need to fix, but that's the reality of it.

Like, in 2021 when Biden took office, did you think "the president was a Russian puppet, he's still a Russian puppet!"

Even tho Donald Trump and Joe Biden are completely different people? Because that's literally what you're doing here.

Martin ran Minnesota's state Dem party for a decade. Right up till the day he became DNC chair. He has a very long and documented history there, and under his leadership it went from purple to home of some of our most progressive politicians.

If he's a biased neoliberal, he's so incompetent that it doesn't matter.

Either way, we need to push for as many people as possible to vote in the Dem primary. Because the more people vote in the primary, the further left the candidate is