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And if the vote happens and passes and people get to keep their health care, will you apologize to all these democrats and admit they made the right decision?
And if the vote never materializes, or ends in inevitable failure, will you apologize for posting stupid fucking hypotheticals like this one?
I will never apologize for hypotheticals. Even the stupid fucking ones!
But... What if you did?
Now that’s a stupid fucking hypothetical!
All the skies need the pies?
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This is absolutely not going to be what happens or it would've happened already
I think raising attention to this issue is the only thing Democrats could hope to accomplish. And they did it with the shutdown.
Now if Republicans do not hold a vote, or if they vote against it, there will be much more negative attention given to them.
I believe this funding only goes until Jan 31st. So if they don’t pass the healthcare in December, the government will just be shut down again.
What are you smoking? 8 Democrats have now cosigned a poison pill of throwing millions of people off healthcare in addition to everything trump is doing with the government.
Not a single concession from republicans. This outcome is only slightly better than just approving the republican budget and there will be another budget fight in 3 months that republicans will be more prepared for.
And what is keeping the government shutdown going to do that is different? They would still lose their healthcare!
Do you honestly believe the Republicans were going to cave on this issue?
They were because they need to pay ICE agents etc.
https://archive.is/XLxFL
You sure they weren’t still getting paid? This article was from a few weeks ago. Maybe it’s changed since then.
Their budget is not infinite and there's reason to believe they were already dipping into funding stashes they shouldn't be out of desperation. Imo if you can defund the people terrorizing your cities that is consequential positive.
Yeah, if that were happen, when I agree. But I believe they would be the last ones to lose pay. Just out of spite.
How many innocent people would be negatively impacted before ICE lost a paycheck?
That would be a question to ask the Republicans. Innocent people are ALREADY being negatively impacted. Just because it’s not you doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t already exist.
Nothing of value was gained by capitulating, and a little bit more was lost.
To deny this is to deny how US politics has worked for the past 50 years.
In the past 50 years of government shutdowns, how many have resulted in legislation being passed?
Best case scenario for a government shutdown is one party is seen as “to blame” and loses popularity. And the other is not blamed. Fact that republicans have agreed to a vote is honestly the best democrats could have hoped for when going into this.
Ending a shutdown is an act of legislation, so every past government shutdown in history has resulted in legislation being passed.
Technically true, which is the best kind. But also intentionally ignores the spirit of my comment.
That's also true. To be honest, I don't know of any examples in which a government shutdown directly resulted in non-economic legislation being passed, if that's what you mean. That's not to say I agree that the best you get out of a government shutdown is for one party to carry more blame than the other--I'll have to spend more time looking into it.
They certainly raised attention to how utterly worthless they have always been and always will be.
Haha, good one
That's a couple of fucking enormous ifs you're basing your dreams on. In all my days, and I'm very old, a party caving while they had the support of the voters but the minority in Congress has never worked out.
In all your days had a government shutdown ever resulted in anything substantial?
Substantial yes, but not necessarily good. One enabled Reagan to get the Contras funded,one helped Bush lower taxes on the wealthy, another led to Clinton's reelection...
In general the population has blamed Republicans for causing shutdowns, through history, but Democrats have repeatedly caved on them without attaining their goals.
I sincerely hope this one brings about the end of Schumer's career.
That won't happen. Cons will fuck over Americans.
The Dems that caved with this vote had "hope" their Con counterparts would vote the right way.
They didn't even get real assurances in policy measures!!!
I will give you $100 if the vote passes. 100 United States Dollars if they get the vote, it passes Congress, and Trump doesn't veto it. Hold me to this. I will send you $100 dollars, via PayPal, Venmo, Cash app, or a fucking wire transfer. (If you wait for me to get paid, depesning on when the vote passes.)
Republicans won't allow it. To think they ever will is a foolish wish. You might as well ask Trump to suddenly become a good person like he was haunted by 3 sprits in the middle of the night.
They had the the Trump and Republicans in a gambit of chess, and then sacrificed a Queen and Rook to just get rid of their possible Checkmate. And that's somehow smart when they lost more pieces and haven't won anything, just lost more things we could have kept around.