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Four years of war have given it more confidence and confirmed its identity, giving rise to the idea of Ukraine as a new middle power—Westward-leaning but non-aligned. (www.economist.com)

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah, but 3 days after the western ukrainian rump state is demilitarized, the EU/US will restart the smuggling of weapons into ukraine and will aid ukronazis in doing terrorism in eastern ukraine, and then what? how does russia plan to stop the constant, unending gladio shit that's coming, without the whole thing devolving back to where this started, but with the borders shifted.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago

I don't think it's going to be that easy for EU/US to do in practice. You gotta keep in mind that there is a betrayal narrative already taking hold in Ukraine. A lot of these fascists also died fighting over the past three years. The remaining ones are going to hold as much a grudge against the west. Then there's the fact that they've been funnelling weapons to cells in Europe this whole time. The way things are going in Europe, they might decide they have a better chance there. Russia also has a lot of experience dealing with this sort of stuff as can be seen recently in Chechnya. Majority of the population in Ukraine is tired of the war now, and even Ukrainian polls show they want the war to be over. There's going to be very little appetite to be a NATO proxy going forward.