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I'm willing to accept the most viable candidate that will fight MAGA. I'd vote for a progressive liberal in a heartbeat. It's not ideal, I understand that, but the reality is I'd rather have Newsom than a MAGA candidate. I don't want a corporate centrist, but if that's what it takes for now, that's what I'll have to vote for again.
I could give you a magic button that removes any and all traces of MAGA from the US, but American fascism would eventually fester again under a new name. American fascism is the only logical conclusion to a country that was founded solely by 20-something, white, enslaving, rich, male landowners. You blue maga types are not at all opposed to the death and destruction that the US has carried out outwardly for the past 200 years - you just care all of a sudden now that the violence has been pointed inwards and your brunch has been interrupted. Blue maga is not about addressing the contradictions that allow fascism to fester, but just about reclaiming American patriotism. MAGA is not the enemy. Capitalism is. And until you obtain revolutionary politics, youre doomed to keep descending into fascism until the cows come home.
You exist in a fantasy land where liberals work together to get things done. Conservatives who are literal criminals and pedophiles have control of the entire government and you are picking apart a candidate because they don't match your opinion on every one of your issues. Even as I tell you I'm on your side, you don't believe me, hurl insults like "Blue MAGA" and blame me for fascism.
Again, ideally, I would vote for a more progressive candidate, but I will vote for anyone willing to fight MAGA and the billionaire capitalist class.
Truly, I am so thankful these people are on the fringe.
They somehow think they are better than the only people actually trying to put out the fire because firefighting is dirty work and their hands aren't dirty.
Democrats are not trying to put out the fire, they won't even acknowledge the fire exists as long as it's their team burning society to the ground.
It is an illness to be so far up ones own ass that people can be extra-judicially killed, kidnapped, sterilized, arrested for their free speech and more, and then you turn around and pretend a mid center to center right party is the same thing as the fascists.
I guess its easy for you to say when your ass isn't the first on the chopping block.
God damn champagne socialists.
Who laid the groundwork for all those things to happen under Trump? The same people that always lay the groundwork for Republicans, fucking Democrats. Today's Democrats only appear to be right of center in a center that used to be considered far right. Liberals biggest issue with leftists is that we refuse to move to the right with you.
I can't even begin to think about the contortion needed to come up with that logic.
There is a reason its not backed up with anything.
Im guessing the best youll be able to string together will be so contrived itll be some nonsense like "Biden had ICE too, so that means he did the same thing as the Gestapo" or some equally insane nonsense.
In 2016 liberals whined about trump locking kids in cages while ignoring who built those cages for kids. In 2025 they cried about denied due process while ignoring Obama denied 75% to those he deported using a law pushed for and passed by Bill Clinton.
Even in this nonsensical half truth filled comment, you can't help but point out that there is a clear difference between the 2 parties, yet, in a political system where they are the options, you pretend you can't see jack shit.
As expected.
You are too close to the situation to see their end games are exactly alike with slightly different delivery of the message.
What a fascinating way to try to spin being out of touch into being smarter
I can't believe you argued with this person for so long over multiple threads.
It happens.
Its like can you join the threads somehow? Probably not, and it just kinda goes on.
You are not on our side, Democrats are not even remoting like leftists. You claim to want to fight MAGA and the billionaire capitalist class while simultaneously supporting the billionaire capitalist class that also finds Democrats. Democrats like yourself don't want to change the system you want to reform it into something that won't disrupt your brunch. Liberals don't mind deportations as long as they dont hear about it. They don't mind ICE as long as they don't hear about it.
You're putting a lot of words in my mouth.
This is just foolishness.
Its completely childish to pretend that if you ignore the current system, it will ignore you.
That is what you are saying they should do, rather than realize a magic uprising will not come, and change is slow and laborious as opposed to fashionable, pithy, snarky phrasing.
Thats the reality the other person understands and you fail to.
You literally cannot reform the system if you hand republicans wins like you have.
Reform is a very very long ways away, and is slowed down every time the democrats lose, and therefore shift even further right.
You have it all backwards.
Reform is a path to failure.
What you're saying is that you're a defeatist, because I've seen not one of you scoping up our boy big brood bonker. Just tough words towards the people closest to you on the spectrum online, and so it continues to look like reform will be the only option.
As long as you continue not to put up, maybe its time to shut up while the people looking for practical solutions actually discuss and act on them.
Keep dreaming about this magic future the people you'd like to pretend are all neoliberals are doing their best to make it for you.
I'm not a defeatist, I'm not under the delusion that a system thats operating exactly as designed can be changed. Voters have zero leverage to make or force change. You've helped train them to know they can do anything they want with no consequences.
Then you are merely ignorant to the many changes the system has undergone or live in such a bubble you cant recognize the changes that don't slap you in the face.
Massive false equivalence/bothsiderism detected.
You don't actually want to help, so you come up with excuses to do nothing while feeling better than those who do because your ideas all start with someone else moving first.
This is some truly insane reasoning where your house is on fire, but you're like "let's worry about flood season in a few months."
You don't stop the fire, it won't be around for the flood.