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Bernie Sanders floats AOC as potential 2028 presidential contender: ‘Very good politician’
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Yea, it wasn’t the support for genocide or the fact that she was running around with Liz Cheney for a lot of the campaign. Nope, it was all because she was a woman.
Be serious.
Trump was the alternative. Be serious.
It’s true, but we aren’t talking about that now are we? I imagine you’re trying to get at the fact that Trump is worse for Gaza and Liz Cheney is a “better” Republican?
There are/were a lot of people in the US who were/are getting incredibly fucking tired of the right-wingedneas of the Democratic primary. This party did not give them a primary to get to choose their candidate and then they ran a full-blown conservative who alienated their voter base to try to entice people out of a fucking cult. The Dems spat in the face of the people who wanted to vote for them while sucking off the people who would come to assassinate one of their reps and not give a shit about it.
It had nothing to do with her being a woman. Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton were conservatives and people are tired of handing over “wins by default” to those people. I mean, look at how both of them who “totally cared so much about the US” just immediately faded into the background except for a book deal and you can see immediately why no one was buying their garbage.
If you think that any kind of intellectual examination was part of people's decision making process last election, you are sorely mistaken. It really surprises me that on Lemmy, people think that 90% of voters even think about these things. They don't. And they won't. Look at the polling leading up to 2024. Harris was ahead for quite a bit. As the day got closer and Trump started running tabloid ads about trans and immigrants, the polls shifted.
The shift in polling had nothing to do with these nuanced takes about centrists and war hawks and corporate Democrats. Nothing. The masses voted based on last minute bigoted propaganda and claimed it was about the economy.
Your reasoning may apply in small, isolated circles. We are talking about the masses and no, I don't buy it. I've talked to too many people.
Ok so this still doesn’t say anything about her being a woman, though?
And you also seem to have missed that the start of her campaign was the whole “brat” thing and calling Republicans weird, a good debate, and a bunch of other great stuff and then as the months went on then she started hanging around with Cheney more than her own, well-liked, running mate, dodging Gaza questions, telling people that “the economy is good actually”, and dropping all the things she had been doing that really energized her voter base. She was building momentum and then it was so jarring how quickly she suddenly completely turned around on everything that was bringing her success.
No matter what she said about Gaza, it was going to be divisive for the Dems. The only part of American politics that view Gaza as a genocide are leftists. And leftists alone can't win a national election. We aren't there yet. What was she supposed to say? And on the economy, yes, she should have talked more about how the economy was good. How they had solved Trump's inflation. How their plans were bringing stability and growth to America. Because Trump had no plan. He had gibberish answers. Attack soundbites. Trump relied on his surrogates making his points for him. Still does.
I don't like it that she brought Cheney in. But anyone that saw that and decided not to vote for her has ensured whatever comes to pass. Up to and including absolute fascism and federal control of daily life.
If the left really wants a shot at changing things, the presidential election isn't where to do it. That would be the absolute last place for change. We need system reform to allow viable third party candidates. The two party system is the flaw. It is eroding our ability to vote for real candidates.
If the goalposts move any more then there isn’t gunna be a square inch of field left that’s not full of holes, holy hell, dude. Why are you so desperate for the problem to be that Harris was a woman? That was your original point, after all.
I don't think it's the singular issue but there are many, many people, male and female, that will not even consider a female candidate for president. With the social regression of MAGA, my concern is that the Overton window is moving too far to the right. I will happily vote for a female. I worry the populace won't. Hillary won the popular vote and lost in the electoral college thanks to swing districts going to Trump.