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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

People generalize Hitlerian Nazism to all fascism and I think it damages people's ability to understand it. You can look at Mussolini as an ethnic supremacist, but especially earlier in his career before Hitler became so successful, it's much more salient to describe him in terms of nationalism and anticommunism with less of a concern for race, and then he subsequently imported racial ideology from Hitler.

This person seems to be demonstrating how it damages your ability to assess fascism, because he acts like it's an indifferent and uncertain question if fucking Franco was a fascist. Yes, he obviously was a fascist, he was just more in the style of Mussolini than Hitler in this respect.

I think this is just a byproduct of baby's first Carl Schmitt ("friend-enemy differentiator") absorbed by historically illiterate liberals.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Mussolini and Hitler certainly differed on their approach to race. Like Mussolini famously stated that he did not believe racial purity could exist. But he also stated already in the early 1920s (Before Hitler rose to power) that fascism arose out of the racial needs of Aryan-Italians.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

I included "ethnic supremacist" because, before he imported Nazi ideology, he talked about the supposed interests of the supposed dominant race, but he defined it in a more cultural and "spiritual" manner than the blood quanta, race science, phrenology of the Nazi approach, so the Italian approach more resembled what we today would call ethnicity. While still a chauvinist supremacist and, you know, a fascist, he repeatedly argued against the promotion of "The Jewish Question" early on, though even in those statements there was still a tone of clear antisemitism sometimes, but nonetheless he was not designating Jews as "the enemy" at the time. Then after that he was happy to embrace it because this was one of his many opportunistic stances whether for or against.

My point in saying this is that Noah here is deflecting from the fundamental characteristics of fascism, which are nationalism and anticommunism, though it readily embraces racism when it finds such a thing useful.

Aryan-Italians.

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[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

For me nazis are just "communists" (populists, really) who betrayed internationalism. Sorry you're not better than other workers coz you live on the right side of your made up lines

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a huge difference between being a communist and simply being a populist. Populism is a rhetorical style, it's the act of saying "There's many of us and few of them" usually with "them" being some sort of elite or powerful group, or a group that you pretend is powerful (like Jews, who broadly had very little power in Weimar Germany). You can say that communists and Nazis are both "populists" because they both say "There's many of us and few of them," but there is no comparison to be made in their actual policies. The Nazis wanted to protect the capitalist class and keep it around forever, and they had no interest in helping the workers except in the most superficial or convenient ways (giving people free radios so they could hear Hitler's speeches and other Nazi propaganda, for instance).

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I absolutely agree ofc. I'm not a whitewinger saying nazis were really communists.

Yet when i see a nowaday movement saying that we should have a strong state that takes cares of the poor (socialism) as long as they're white (nationalism), I call them what they are. Nazis.

Also known as what about OUR homelesses, usually uttered from a karen who think she's a good person because she gave one a penny back in 1982.

We all known nazis dont really care about the poors lmao

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the Populists were proto-socialist farmers

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Really? I'd be curious to read about it

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

natopedia but it's american history from over a hundred years ago so they're probably not smart enough to misrepresent a bunch of shit and my knowledge about them comes from my old highschool curriculum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populist_Party_(United_States)

interesting thanks :)