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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)
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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ve been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that’s BS.

I'm American and a proud America hater. It's bad enough we're a shithole but we can't even keep our shit contained to our borders, we go around terrorizing the world, spreading war and exploitation and fascism to every corner of it. What is there to be "proud" of in that? When we put a stop to that shit, that will be something I can be proud of.

You gotta clean your house before you start talking about being "proud" of it. It's like you're inviting guests over and there's dried dog turds all over the carpet and you're being like, "I'm really proud of what I've done with the place, don't you like it?" That's insane. The only reason to not be on your knees apologizing and begging for forgiveness is because actually getting rid of the dog shit is more important. And once we've done that, once we've actually cleaned up our act and made something of ourselves, then maybe we can build something worth taking pride in. But this shit? Absolutely not.