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Hamas accuses Israel of breaching ceasefire by ‘killing at least 24 people’ since Friday
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Israel has been violating the agreement since the beginning, just like last time. They're looking for any excuse to resume full-scale bombing, especially now that people have returned to Gaza City.
Hamas has returned all living hostages and 1/3 of the dead ones in good faith, but can't return any more without heavy excavating equipment since there are ruins of entire buildings on top of them.
Israel will withhold that equipment and then say Hamas is in violation. This was likely their plan all along.
They don´t need to look for an excuse. Hamas is already saying they won´t disarm. So even if they return all the bodies, that alone means they´re in breach of the ´peace plan´ and Israel can go back in either way
Disarming was not part of the agreement.
Agreement?
The disarment was not in step one and hamas did mention that before returning the hostages so it is Israel who broke the deal like they always do
"Step one"? "Deal"?
I'm talking about the imposed 'peace plan' with 20 points. Here's what's supposed to happen after the hostages are released:
Currently we're at the point where there's a handful of dead bodies left, probably in collapsed buildings or tunnels. Do you think that that Hamas found the magic loophole that lets them stay in power while they turn 'step one' into some neverending archeological adventure?
The 20 point plan was never agreed to by anyone. Trump proposed it. Hamas agreed to release the hostages; surrender control of Gaza to a body of Palestinian technocrats.
That's completely delusional.
Here's a map showing which governments support Trumps 'plan'.
That has nothing to do with what was actually agreed on. And not one of these red countries speaks or has the license to speak for Palestinians in Gaza; I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove here.
Yes people who are not following closely might get confused. The Trump plan is actually a proposal. This step one is the same as what Hamas agreed to last July and have been saying for the last two years.
Well @homura1650@lemm.ee claimed no-one agreed to the 20-point 'plan'. How does that map not have anything to do with that??
Sure, but that's exactly the point: Palestinians in Gaza didn't have any say in this. It is imposed upon them. It basically outlines Hamas' surrender as the price for peace.
This exact hostage deal was on the table since Biden. Hamas didn't accept it because it didn't include Israel stopping the war. What do you think made them change their mind?
Israel breached the terms before the hostages was even released so no. Hamas did not violate it , it was israel
Which "terms" are you talking about??
Again, you seem to be under the impression or illusion that there is some kind of balanced "deal" between Hamas and Israel. There isn't. Donnie T and Bibi B basically gave a list of demands, starting with returning the hostages and continuing with Hamas disarming and dissolving. And if Hamas doesn't agree, Israel goes back in and continues what they were doing two weeks ago. With Trumps full support as well as all the countries that agreed to his 'plan'.
Why are you deflecting. Just admit the phase one asked israel to stop the war so the hostages get released safetly. Israel did not abude and continued the killing. So Israel breached the term of the first time which Hamas can rightfully call the desl null if they want to
They are not deflecting if they have no clue what is going on. Is just ignorance and lack of knowledge.
Deflecting? Can you explain how I am deflecting? I'm arguing why your point is irrelevant.
'Phase One', as you call it, requires Israel to 'withdraw to the agreed upon line'. Do you think that means that IDF soldiers aren't just going to fire on Palestinians they think are wandering too close? If it gets you off, sure, I'll admit that that's not conductive to the agreement.
But do you really think that after 70k+ dead, and multiples maimed and traumatized, and with Israel on the brink of razing Gaza City, they're going to call the whole damn thing off because of some (and excuse my wording) small incidents?
The deal rewuired Israel to stop thr killing, israel did not accept that yet you can't admit you are wrong and keep talking sbout stuffs
Israel did not only shot palestinians near the line they also did airstrikes during the cease fire. Like they keep bombing Lebanon during the "cease fire" stop making excuses to Israel
I'm not making excuses for Israel
I'm trying to explain to you that this isn't a sports game where Israel gets ejected if they get two yellow cards
You said it was Hamas who breached the ceasefire terms that's an excuse for Israel
The current ceasefire is in place to facilitate the hostage exchanges.
The larger 'peace plan' sees this ceasefire continuing if Hamas continues to play ball, and ending if they don't.
The phase 1 was to release all hostages in exchange of Israel suspending it's attack. Israel breached it and by default the whole "peace plan" . How many time do I need to repeat the reality?
Hamas said they will discuss the rest of the rest after phase one and Trump accepted so no Hamas did not lie about anything and did not breach anything
I'm originally replying to this:
Nowhere am I saying Hamas lied about any of this or that they breached any agreement.
Why are you lying?
Israel is the won who breached phase one so that mean they breached the peace deal itself unlike what you claim. Breaching a phase that didn't happen yet makes zero sense logically .
You need to understand that both xyzzy and me were talking about future events. I'm sure if you did, you wouldn't have accused me of lying.
They were stating that Israel was fishing for Hamas to make a mistake so they'd have an excuse to resume full-scale bombing in the future and I replied that it was looking like Hamas was already going to give them one in the future
I would draw a timeline for you but I must admit I don't know how to attach it here
Are you saying that Israel and the US acted in bad faith when they agreed to Hamas's more limited counter offer; then pocketed the front loaded benefit of the hostage release before reneging on their half of the agreement?
That would be like agreeing to negotiate so your enemy is not prepared for a surprise bombing campaign. Or bombing the country that volunteered their territory to host negotiations because they were hosting your enemies negotiators.
Or claiming a desire to negotiate while killing the enemy negotiators.
'Counter offer'?
I really have to keep myself composed reading this
Hamas 'agreed' to the hostage exchange that was forced on them, because otherwise Israel was going to raze Gaza City with Trumps full support, and a lot of other countries' silent support. The next thing that will be forced on them is disarming and making room for 'peace troops' with Gaza's administration being taken over by the honorable dipshit Tony Blair.
What do you think the consequence will be if they refuse??
Do you think Bibi and Donnie are going to throw their hands above their heads because Hamas called their monumental bluff?