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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why didn't the conductor close the door on these guys?

[–] miked@piefed.social 19 points 1 week ago

Conductor must have known they were doing something.

Also, The ICE guy was flashing his light from side to side, probably towards the conductor. That is the signal to stop. Up and down is go.

[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe the flashlight down the train is a signal that mta employees use to hold up the train. Don’t know whether or not they knew what was actually going on or just saw the flashlight

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm kind of stunned by this entire comment thread. Your comment is the only one that gets close to pointing out what he is and not just who he is. This dude isn't ICE. He's a NYC Transit Cop which can be identified from their dollar store looking ass badges and by people not really taking his authority seriously at all. That's also why his face is on full display, he doesn't have the same coverage that ICE gives him.

Like not saying what he's doing is right or saying that he's got coverage for this. Just saying that key detail is being left out of a lot of these discussions. It doesn't change the fact that he's a douchebag but being informed always changes the situation for the better.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they do deny being ICE (although I'm sure ICE assholes lie). And have some badges attached with bodycams. And also let the guy go in the end.

I've not seen those happen in most ICE videos I've seen.

But I don't known what's going on, obviously