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[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You want to judge something you don't know. That's never a good idea.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't judge the book. I judge the situation of a war by a summary of an analysis of the geostrategic relevance of the area.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why are you regularly referring to this precise book?

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So that others can see how the experts analyse the situation.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In which way? The original book or the adjusted part of the reprint?

With the given assumptions I think the book does a reasonable analysis.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How would you know if you haven't read it?

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That depends on what you are asking.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It doesn't. You not being able to know if the book does a reasonable analysis is only due to you not knowing the book.

e: typo

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You are clever, and I try to be clever, too. I only wrote that I think that the book does a reasonable analysis. I am able to know that.

If you still want to discuss the message of the book, which one do you have in mind?

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am able to know that.

How? You don't know the book.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

By being nitpicky about the way I phrased my answer.

You are right though, I cannot speak about the book. That's why I only talk about things that are written in the Wikipedia page.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. You talk about something just based on a snippet of information read on Wikipedia.

I hope you now see that this is an incredibly weak basis to build strong arguments on. As you also shied away from actually stating anything precise you seem noteworthy from this book, this weak basis seems apparent to you too.

Have a good day.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t judge the book. I judge the situation of a war by a summary of an analysis of the geostrategic relevance of the area.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yet you say it is "already annoying" to know the "summary" of the book.

Now we have two possibilities:

  1. this summary of yours is actually accurately representing the book, then if one is annoying, both must be annoying
  2. this summary does not accurately represent the book, only then the summary can be annoying but not the book

If you think 1 is true, you also judge the book, without having read it. If 2 is true, the element on which you base your emotions is flawed and hence you should reconsider it.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It all boils down to whether you think your summary accurately represents the book. Do you?

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Brudi ich bin mir ziemlich sicher dass du mit ner KI diskutierst die darauf trainiert wurde nervtötend zu sein.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago

It would if I had to make a book report in school. Instead I am using the Wikipedia page as the primary source.