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They Really Think They’ll Be Able To Propagandize The World Into Liking Israel Again
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this post was submitted on 06 Oct 2025
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The only thing I've ever known about Israel has been sociopaths in tanks vs children throwing rocks.
The fact Israeli propaganda has EVER worked is wild and I don't think it's as much of a lost cause as this article seems to think.
Before the internet, practically 100% of people in Western society thought Israel was the good guys. Literally the only exceptions you would know about were Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky, and maybe one weird guy you knew who mostly wore T-shirts and often a heavy coat for some reason and didn't comb his hair. And to everyone else, it was a "peace process" where terrorists kept attacking Israel and they had to figure out what to do about it to make that stop. Read some Chomsky from that era if you want to know what it was like, and realize that up until about 2000, he was this wild traitor to America to almost everybody outside of specifically leftist political circles.
There are still some remnants of that old-world viewpoint today, in terms of people who grew up reading the New York Times and the Financial Times and whatnot and haven't ever really gotten out of the habit. I don't feel like the propaganda has ever had all that much of a chokehold outside of that grouping. The problem is that except for a couple of outliers, our current government is entirely staffed at the highest levels by those remnants.
It has taken 2 years of a live-streamed genocide for the MoistCr1TiKaLs of the world to put on their black tee shits and say maybe Israel are the bad guys here. The internet has actually changed things less that we would like to think.
People, in general, want to offload their critical thinking to a 3rd party because they're too busy trying to survive capitalism and that hasn't really changed, if anything it's gotten worse.
Maybe living under the Australian settler colonialist project made me more aware of Israels true face than most but it feels like the news media has always been fine with showing blatant Israeli crimes and then gaslighting the audience because the cognitive dissonance was the whole entire point.
Oh that part I will completely agree with. My point is that even as far back ago as the Iraq War, anyone who talked good sense about geopolitics would get wild applause from the studio audience. And of course likewise for Israel, I think. Inside the media landscape is a much different beast, it is artificial in there (and that is on purpose and unlikely to change for as long as it is corporate owned, which probably will be quite a while.)
they had the hide behind, calling people anti-semites for like 60+years shield on thier side. plus the holocaust gave them alot of clout to use, they had infinite good PR. plus shows like Ncis was pretty good israeli propaganda, aka ZIVA/israel
Yeah, her observations are necessarily limited to people a) capable of thinking for themselves and b) with the time energy and skill to curate their media intake.