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It’s cool, obviously antisemitism is shitty, but compared to what’s happening to the Palestinians right now I really don’t give a fuck.
“Huge hug to our white comrades who have to be subjected to the brainworms of Nazi family members”
You do realize there are Jews that are not European right? Like what the actual anti-semitic fuck?!
That comment was VERY clearly directed at Jewish comrades that have to deal with the shit YOU are fucking perpetuating.
You should be fuckin ashamed of yourself.
I think there are two things here that are true at the same time. One, Israel despite its claims isn’t synonymous with Judaism. And two, most Jews love and support Zionism. It’s kind of like whiteness and white people I think.
I do not think it is most Jewish people, that's a bold claim
I think it’s just a brute fact that most Jewish people are Zionists and you can fact check me on the global polling if you want. FWIW I’m including squishy libbed up two state solution Zionism as Zionism, because it is Zionism.
Cool it with the “brute facts” man. “Global Polling” is funded by think-tanks. Who do you think those are funded by? The bourgeoisie. The Elites of Israel, the U.S. and every colonized land are the same. Meanwhile the proletariat are the only ones who pay the price of scapegoating religious and ethnic groups. I understand your reservations about Israel being included in a two-state solution, but you sound like a “squishy” fed.
This is the same argument people use to say Chinese people actually hate their government. Generally I’m inclined to believe polling that has transparent and sound methodology even I don’t like the results.
It’s creepy to me that you think this position warrants fedjacketing.
If you wanna call people Feds for believing polling ok I guess but it’s a you problem.
I mean if you want to
Sexual harassment is so cool
I didn’t even report that. I wish I get a blowjob and turn into a Chinese spy that would be sick as hell
We can dream
Not when you consider global hegemony, resource extraction and what proletariat benefits from another. Despite your dismissal, the support of Israel amongst most Jewish people is no different to me than the significant amount of Catholics who believe in atrocious policies regarding abortion, childbirth, etc. Of course, the political topics are different; but there is a overwhelming, prevalent culture of believing in "divine" moral paradigms from birth. Like abortion is wrong, Israel has a right to exist and belongs to their holy land, etc.
Regardless, the proletariat in Israel and the United States are a part of the imperial core; having much more in relation to their oppressing class than the proletariat of the global majority whom their land, resources and people are exploited, extracted and used on a scale far larger than anywhere in the core. American and Israeli citizens aren't being wrapped up in a genocide.
There's a litany of reasons to criticize every religious belief on this planet; but christianity and judaism as well as Islam have deserved plenty of it. Pointing out the decades of religious indoctrination, propaganda from the bourgeoise in Israel and America and fundamentalism isn't scape-goating. It's the "brute facts" that seemingly touched a "nerve" of yours. Jews are of many cultures and their religion and ethnic groups aren't inherently tied.
There is only one state, Palestine. Imagine someone saying this about Ireland. Israel as a genocidal and religious state should not exist. No religious state should exist. Most Jews indigenous to the region/semitic are treated as second-class citizens.
Hey dude I’m not reading all that oblique trigger-worded bullshit. Conflating Judaism with Israel means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda. Every fucking rightoid shithead has a similar mentality as you. You know where this shit leads? Check your phone.
Nobody here is conflating Judaism with Israel. We all know those are two different things. What we are doing is looking at polling about support for Israel among Jews and the result is not good.
Look up national depression polls. You’ll see the results change entirely based on who is doing the study. You really think most jews are on board with this shit? But you’ll still say zionism is different from judaism?
Fuck you people. This isn’t leftism.
I don’t need to be lectured on what is and isn’t leftism by someone caping for Zionism because of some polls you don’t like the outcomes of.
Guess what. I’m lecturing and you’re reading it. Because you’re fucking wrong. You aren’t a leftist. I am not a zionist. The destruction of Israel would give me greater peace of mind and hope for the world than anything else could at this time other than the completion of the Eurasian trade-belt. But one isn’t coming before the other, shithead. You and all your race/ethnicity obsessed friends are going to turn into liberals when you get older like you always fucking do. You aren’t leftists. You’re fucking shills.
Shills for what? Talk about trigger worded bullshit. How do you think the wider Jewish community would feel about the destruction of israel and the redistribution of the land to its previous inhabitants?
The Jews and not the Zionists? Pleased as fucking punch. Considering the Jews inside Israel who were there before the Nakba who are all Pro-Palestine and have been confined to a Warsaw Ghetto for it.
You’re fucking regurgitating imperialist propaganda with leftist-adjacent dialogue. Like a liberal.
Is this wish time? How long does this go on for?
I’m sorry you don’t like what the opinions of the diaspora are and if you say evangelical christians are a much bigger problem I would agree, but you really should stop making shit up because it makes you feel better.
My entire point to him is that there isn't much of a difference between evangelical christians and jews who are religiously indoctrinated since a young age to believe in zionism. That is what I was trying to explain before I got the fucking ignorant "I don't read pbbbt"
By “Jews who believe in zionism” do you mean the vast majority?
That's why I'm comparing them to fundamentalist Christians who believe in similar, harmful ideologues. Not quite the same but there's a comparison to be made.
Yeah I mean Zionist evangelicals are a lot more harmful
Material conditions as always, comrade. Someone who was horribly sexually abused in a catholic church might disagree as they have no relation to Israel. Someone in Palestine would say otherwise.
In terms of objective evil? Well, I'd almost say they are competing for each-other. It's hard to argue when they rely on each other while despising each other. I would say that Israel wouldn't exist in the capacity it does without the rabid, evangelical Christian base with their temple prophecy shit in the U.S backing them without question. Or the long history of Christian atrocities, which has been around longer than Zionism.
But you could be right too. This genocide has a lot of collaborators.
And now we get back to the root, what evidence do you have that Jews and Zionists are majority mutually exclusive?
oh come on now, I don't agree with this person but its ridiculous to imply they're being paid to spread zionist talking points on hexbear of all places
something you might not realize or a lot of people realize is that a solid chunk of Christians believe in the fascist/fundamentalist ideologues of catholic/protestant garbage. From the inherent calvinism in American culture, to topics such as abortion, evolution, etc. There are reasonable ones, just like there are reasonable Jews and those who aren't zionist. There's plenty.
It doesn't change that a overwhelming amount of Christians/Jews believe in those types of fundamentalist ideologues. Either it's about a holy land or that woman should be kept as incubators for half-dead children to be born. To even things more mild, like telling the victims of the atrocities of capital or their own religion that "God will be with them" to toothlessly placate them or offer them therapy when the state fails to offer any that draws them deeper into the tendrils of organized religion. Perhaps, it's something to do with fundamentalist religion than you just screeching about us being rightoid jew-haters?
"conflating abortion propaganda with Christians that make up the majority of the country, rule the country and in a nation with a long history of Christian violence means you're buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda"
Can you read? If so, you'd maybe discover why rightoids have a bit of a different philosophy. But I suppose if you want to be mentally infantile you can just group stuff together based on the category of "I don't like it and I don't wanna read it". Very easy way to live life which explains why you're saying half the shit you are!
It's scapegoating to say polling suggests religious people support the ethnostate that professes to be theirs?
Yeah if that shit is funded by bourgeois think tanks that have a vested interest in colonization you fucking idiot.
So you have no evidence that most Jews oppose Israel because all data is conspiracy?
Exactly Adrien Zenz bullshit just deployed in defense of an ingroup
Hard to get a great answer but nearly half of all Jews live in Israel where support for the genocide is near universal and whenever you see polling of various Jewish diaspora communities there tend to be a lot of Zionists. It's highly likely that it is at least a plurality if not a strict majority of Jewish people that are Zionists.
Do you have statistics that say that most Jewish people don't support Israel? People critique polls but rarely provide alternative evidence to the math Blakey brought up
I didn't see anyone show math here, it was a vibes based statement, If there are numbers I'll look at em
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/
Pre 10/7, but useful
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
UK
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/year-after-october-7-british-jewish-views-israel-antisemitism-and-jewish-life
A new poll dropped today from WaPo
https://archive.ph/20251004133446/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/06/jewish-americans-israel-poll-gaza/
Yeah, no good. Sorry for bombarding you, I just didn’t want to seem like I was talking out of my ass