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"No Duh," say senior developers everywhere.

The article explains that vibe code often is close, but not quite, functional, requiring developers to go in and find where the problems are - resulting in a net slowdown of development rather than productivity gains.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (33 children)

I personally think unit tests are the worst application of AI. Tests are there to ensure the code is correct, so ideally the dev would write the tests to verify that the AI-generated code is correct.

I personally don't use AI to write code, since writing code is the easiest and quickest part of my job. I instead use it to generate examples of using a new library, give me comparisons of different options, etc, and then I write the code after that. Basically, I use it as a replacement for a search engine/blog posts.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Ideally, there are requirements before anything, and some TDD types argue that the tests should come before the code as well.

Ideally, the customer is well represented during requirements development - ideally, not by the code developer.

Ideally, the code developer is not the same person that develops the unit tests.

Ideally, someone other than the test developer reviews the tests to assure that the tests do in-fact provide requirements coverage.

Ideally, the modules that come together to make the system function have similarly tight requirements and unit-tests and reviews, and the whole thing runs CI/CD to notify developers of any regressions/bugs within minutes of code check in.

In reality, some portion of that process (often, most of it) is short-cut for one or many reasons. Replacing the missing bits with AI is better than not having them at all.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Ideally, the code developer is not the same person that develops the unit tests.

Why? The developer is exactly the person I want writing the tests.

There should also be integration tests written by a separate QA, but unit tests should 100% be the responsibility of the dev making the change.

Replacing the missing bits with AI is better than not having them at all.

I disagree. A bad test is worse than no test, because it gives you a false sense of security. I can identify missing tests with coverage reports, I can't easily identify bad tests. If I'm working in a codebase with poor coverage, I'll be extra careful to check for any downstream impacts of my change because I know the test suite won't help me. If I'm working in a codebase with poor tests but high coverage, I may assume a test pass indicates that I didn't break anything else.

If a company is going to rely heavily on AI for codegen, I'd expect tests to be manually written and have very high test coverage.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 2 weeks ago

but unit tests should 100% be the responsibility of the dev making the change.

True enough

A bad test is worse than no test

Also agree, if your org has trimmed to the point that you're just making tests to say you have tests, with no review as to their efficacy, they will be getting what they deserve soon enough.

If a company is going to rely heavily on AI for anything I'd expect a significant traditional human employee backstop to the AI until it has a track record. Not "buckle up, we're gonna try somethin'" track record, more like two or three full business cycles before starting to divest of the human capital that built the business to where it is today. Though, if your business is on the ropes and likely to tank anyway.... why not try something new?

Was a story about IBM letting thousands of workers go, replacing them with AI... then hiring even more workers in other areas with the money saved from the AI retooling. Apparently they let a bunch of HR and other admin staff go and beefed up on sales and product development. There are some jobs that you want more predictable algorithms in than potentially biased people, and HR seems like an area that could have a lot of that.

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