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Fediverse vs Disinformation

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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.


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Same as instance rules, plus:

  1. No disinformation
  2. Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation

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A ton of different facets here. Among them:

  1. A little window into the consultant-driven "how can we best manipulate the voters' perceptions, what 'messaging' will be most effective" way that DC looks at trying to win elections
  2. A little window into the wildly malicious kinds of corruption that can infect that little ecosystem
  3. The whole strategy of "we're going to tell you what the 'enemies' believe, and then why it is wrong" even when absolutely none or almost none of the 'enemies' are actually saying that, is of course as common in mainstream politics as it is on Lemmy. And of course, it works quite well in both places.
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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point is, no one in the Democratic party was actually doing any of the things they listed. Like literally 0 people in 0 emails, for most of them, and then a tiny handful of them had been used once or something.

Yes, I agree that "Latinx" is stupid and that Latinos specifically feel that way overwhelmingly. The point is that they're creating an artificial reality wherein all these mainstream Democratic politicians are saying "Latinx," when pretty much none of them are.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do democrat activists or democrat members not count? I agree with people like Steven Bonnell that democrat politicians are way more civil and inoffensive compared to republican politicians, but there is more to a part and its image than the politicians.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

democrat activists

Sus

Also, the article is clearly referencing this think-tank paper that was aimed at "democrat politicians," not "democrat activists."

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I skimmed through the memo and didn't see where they specifically say only politicians. Plus when I looked up a few terms I had never heard of they were being used in places like the department of labour publications

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Plus when I looked up a few terms I had never heard of they were being used in places like the department of labour publications

Interesting, which terms?

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Justice-involved individuals" was the one the DoL used. While "minoritized community" was used by the NIH. I already know what intersectionality means but I figured I would check that one as well and the VA is using that term.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This?

https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/publications/ETAOP_2023-07_Advancing_Employment_Opportunities_for_Justice-Involved_Individuals_through_Work-Based_Learning_Experiences_%28Issue%20Brief%29.pdf

The study that Trump's Department of Labor funded in 2018/2019 which then decided to use "justice-involved" in their report?

Why is that "democrat activists" or "democrat members"?

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just wanna sneak in a little thank you for what you're doing here, discussions like this can be draining

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Lol thank you very much. I have for-real started to suspect that people are making a goal out of having pointlessly disagreeable conversations on Lemmy about trivial topics for some unknown reason.

Almost certainly it is not that, just me being paranoid and Lemmy is being kind of stupid as the internet is known to be sometimes, but it's really hard to look at this conversation or this one and not conclude that someone is just being a pain in the ass on purpose.

(Actually, I think the inclusion of "democrat" as an adjective is kind of indicative of one very particular purpose for having this one particular conversation with me which doesn't seem to have any factual basis for the person to think the things they are saying that they think, but it goes beyond that. Usually it seems just random. There are just lots of people on Lemmy who will say something without thinking and then try to defend it to death so they won't have to "lose" the conversation, I think is the most likely actual explanation.)