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Arrest the HC CEOs too. And everyone else complicit in killing people for profit.
Make them face the wall.
Healthcare businesses will always be responsible for saving and taking life. Are you wanting to dissuade anyone from ever working in healthcare and thus dismantle it entirely?
Bullshit. In sane countries, if a doctor bills a service, the insurance simply has to pay it. In most health systems, if a licensed doc bills what is a normal unexceptional standard procedure for a condition, the insurance simply has to pay it. They're a licensed doctor. That's just one of the powers of their position. If an insurance company thinks a doctor is committing fraud, they can haul them in front of the medical licensing board and make them justify their diagnoses and treatments. Sane countries simply do not allow insurance companies to arbitrarily deny coverage for non-experimental, non-cosmetic medical treatment. If a doc sets a broken arm, insurance isn't even allowed to try and weasel their way out of covering it.
Most medical systems around the world work like this - by simply trusting the judgement of state licensed physicians. They do this, and the sky doesn't fall. And we're the ones stuck with the most expensive medical system on the planet.
Brian Robert Thompson, the serial killer that murdered 40,000 innocent people, did so by overruling doctors for profit by denying life saving medical care. In most countries his actions would have been a national scandal that would have seen him in a cell for the rest of his life. He was a mass murderer personally responsible for a dozen 9/11s. He literally dwarfed the body count of Osama bin Ladin.
You didn't disprove my statement.
To disprove it, you would have to claim that these "sane countries" do not deny any life-saving treatment, thus never taking life. Yet every single one of them has limitations in their services. They're replacing the insurance denial with a system-level denial by means of a narrow scope of provided services. Insurance can't deny what's never provided.
So, for clarity, are you claiming that these "sane" healthcare systems never let people die due to treatment that is too expensive?
I know you're trying to cope with your bloodlust by dehumanizing him as much as possible. But this sort of logic makes anyone with a dollar in their pocket into a murderer. It's insane, and you know it.
You're just classist when it comes to your views on violence. You don't actually care about human death and suffering; you only care about optics. You're perfectly happy with someone murdering tens of thousands of people as long as they wear a suit and use a pen as their murder weapon. Sorry, but if you concoct an insurance system that is deliberately designed to remove people from the life-saving care that they are legally entitled to receive as part of their insurance plan? If you deliberately design a Kafkaesque nightmare literally designed to make people die of their conditions before they're able to navigate through all the hurdles you place in their path? If you do all of this just to drive your stock price higher? You are every bit as much a murderer as any psychopath that carves people apart with a knife.
And no, this scarcity mentality is bullshit. Yes, there are always some novel, experimental, and ridiculously expensive treatments that need to be denied for cost reasons. But no system, private or public, covers those, so there's no point considering them for this discussion. But bog-standard well-established treatment do not need to be rationed. No one is going on chemotherapy just for fun. You absolutely can have a system where no one dies from lack of affording standard well-established medical treatments. The US is the outlier here. The rest of the developed world doesn't have this problem; only us. Yet you're here, having gouged your own eyes out to willfully blind yourself, saying that you simply cannot see a way how this can be done!
United health cares experiments with randomly denying care falls under "saving life" to you? Seems like capitlist excess and murder to me. They have the highest denial of claims rate by far of any insurer. And they trusted claim denials to AI in order to save money, which they knew for a fact had a 90% error rate, such that 9 of 10 claims it denied were reversed on appeal. Only some people did not appeal, they just died having not appealed, or died waiting for the appeal process. Appeals take 60 days. During that 60 days people simply are denied the care their doctors are shouting that they need. Does being made to just sit and wait 60 days for your first appeal while a treatable cancer eats your insides sound ethical to you? You might get pissed during that wait period eh? Might start doing some target practice. If you did I wouldn't blame you one little bit. Self defense is what that is.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-lawsuit-ai-deny-claims-medicare-advantage-health-insurance-denials/
"The lawsuit, filed last Tuesday in federal court in Minnesota, claims UnitedHealth illegally denied "elderly patients care owed to them under Medicare Advantage Plans" by deploying an AI model known by the company to have a 90% error rate, overriding determinations made by the patients' physicians that the expenses were medically necessary.
There IS such a thing as criminal mismanagement of a corporate entity, and I think united health care corporation deserves the corporate death penalty for this, and their executives who green lit this program should be imprisoned to the fullest penalty the law can provide for criminal negligence. THIS is exactly why everyone celebrates Mangione. And if laws dont exist to hold these people to account, we need politicians who will make some.
Fun fact: there are other ways of running healthcare than for profit. TYL.
Nothing has to be run for profit.
And it's an irrelevant statement. A non-profit healthcare outfit would still be responsible for saving and taking life.