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And this millennium oscar in hypocrisy goes to EUROPE!!!! YEEAHHH!!!
#Spain and its rediscovered love for the flotilla, after sending federal troops and arresting the governor of #Catalunya to suppress its independence ...
After 1/2 a century of terrorism against #Basques
And #Greece which once was the only European country to recognize PLO will not recognize Palestine because that will provide grounds for Northern #Cyprus independence
@faab64 @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
#POPULISM = #FASCISM
@yianiris
What have you done to stop this genocide?
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
I don't live in #Israel and there is little an outsider can do and I would be against outsiders intervening in domestic problems... and now you say if that was how it is done there would have never been an Israel to begin with.
#Imperialism #Colonialism #Racism all tied up in one big bundle around #Capitalism
I'll be judged by my peers right here .. and I sleep well in the occupied territory I live in.
@faab64 @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
You're not wrong that Spain and Europe are hypocritical/ Fuck the state of Spain, and fuck Europe. However. This seems like good news. Maybe a NATO country having an escort vessel among the flotilla will deter some types of Israeli attack. Or not. Nobody can predict the future, especially when a rabid dog (israel) is thrashing about.
If NATO-med members want to use their military to escort aid to #Gaza they should do it on their own, the flotilla existed because those same states refused to get involved in an Internal Israeli matter, basically the uprising of its slaves.
@doubtingtammy
The flotilla is about people in solidarity helping people to fight off a state. They are trying to diffuse the movement against the genocide by a state "by having states handle it" and show that without a large scale military operation states will not alter course from their expanding nature.
Palestinians have displayed what the cost is of living without a state, wild sheep on the prairie.
Italian and Spanish soldiers are showing the benefits of having a pimp!
@doubtingtammy
@yianiris
But it doesn't stop you from talking shit?
Another shit-for-brian asshole who is good at post garbage on social media.
Just fuck off.
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
......
Ask the #Kurds in #Syria/#Iraq how well did their reach out for foreign support go
Talking about looking for love in the all the wrong places
There is no #statehood that is good statehood
even #Transnistria
@faab64 @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
Also, some advice from someone possibly older, KID!
The moment you turn any political discussion to personal hunting for rationalism to mute someone, you have lost ALL political content.
If I was in the flotilla and I was involved in the past, I would have rejected state militaristic support or halt the flotilla till all (at least NATO) war machines of terror have turned around and gone back to their base.
IT IS NATO THAT KEPT ISRAEL ALIVE!
@faab64 @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@fedibird.com
Wow, the amount of ignorance and truth bending in this post is astounding.
Specifically ?
It is easy to dismiss everything one writes with a silly characterization, but some rational argument and sources would give it some value, in this case you have 0.
Which of those things I mention DID NOT HAPPEN?
@elucubra
The Catalan "referendum" was a sham carried out by one party, without any guarantees for transparency, and without any agreed rules, or without any oversight. Hundreds of people not affiliated with that party voted and took videos of themselves voting 10s of times to prove the lack of any guarantees. The president of the autonomous region (not governor) fled and was charged with sedition, which was according to the law. Independence referendums are carried out in civilized countries based on agreed rules (see Scotland, for example).
In the Basque country there were nearly 1000 people murdered, and thousands maimed by the Basque terrorists, including things like bombing of a shopping center in Barcelona, not the other way around.
Oh, by the way, Spain recognized Palestine last year, not now, and has been one of the first European countries to sanction Israel, contrary to the majority of European countries.
Should it have been earlier? No doubt, but definitely earlier and more forcefully than it's peers.
Go stand in the center of Boca and preach your Franco nationalistic fairy tale if you dare... whatever you say here is dust in the wind.
I am not saying it is for the right reasons that independence is pursued but can you really maintain a straight face and say it is a minority that wants it?
Yes, they are wealthy and don't want to share .. and support the rest of Spain.
@elucubra
Accusing me of being Francoist is quite misguided.
Catalonia is ranked 4th or lower in GDP, and GDP per capita, and contributes even less to national coffers. The "we are rich and being robbed" is a useful manipulation technique for politicians.
The Catalonian independentists have a very sophisticated public opinion manipulation machinery, a "Hasbara light" , if you will.
If you look at very neutral polls, 38% of Catalonians are pro independence, 52% against, and the rest undecided.
Also, independence based on 50%-ish referendum results at one particular point in time is not good.
You need a very qualified majority, say 60-70% and a ratification referendum a few years down the line. Deciding a generational change of that magnitude on 51% can cause major damage. Think Brexit.