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Specifically ?
It is easy to dismiss everything one writes with a silly characterization, but some rational argument and sources would give it some value, in this case you have 0.
Which of those things I mention DID NOT HAPPEN?
@elucubra
The Catalan "referendum" was a sham carried out by one party, without any guarantees for transparency, and without any agreed rules, or without any oversight. Hundreds of people not affiliated with that party voted and took videos of themselves voting 10s of times to prove the lack of any guarantees. The president of the autonomous region (not governor) fled and was charged with sedition, which was according to the law. Independence referendums are carried out in civilized countries based on agreed rules (see Scotland, for example).
In the Basque country there were nearly 1000 people murdered, and thousands maimed by the Basque terrorists, including things like bombing of a shopping center in Barcelona, not the other way around.
Oh, by the way, Spain recognized Palestine last year, not now, and has been one of the first European countries to sanction Israel, contrary to the majority of European countries.
Should it have been earlier? No doubt, but definitely earlier and more forcefully than it's peers.
Go stand in the center of Boca and preach your Franco nationalistic fairy tale if you dare... whatever you say here is dust in the wind.
I am not saying it is for the right reasons that independence is pursued but can you really maintain a straight face and say it is a minority that wants it?
Yes, they are wealthy and don't want to share .. and support the rest of Spain.
@elucubra
Accusing me of being Francoist is quite misguided.
Catalonia is ranked 4th or lower in GDP, and GDP per capita, and contributes even less to national coffers. The "we are rich and being robbed" is a useful manipulation technique for politicians.
The Catalonian independentists have a very sophisticated public opinion manipulation machinery, a "Hasbara light" , if you will.
If you look at very neutral polls, 38% of Catalonians are pro independence, 52% against, and the rest undecided.
Also, independence based on 50%-ish referendum results at one particular point in time is not good.
You need a very qualified majority, say 60-70% and a ratification referendum a few years down the line. Deciding a generational change of that magnitude on 51% can cause major damage. Think Brexit.