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Umm…okay? What is this image supposed to prove? That communists’ claims and arguments must be false because anticommunists make similar claims and arguments that we know are false? That liberal anticommunists aren’t in the habit of denying or mollifying extermination campaigns?
I have never seen anybody seriously argue this.
Sports and theatres may have indeed been common amenities in the labour camps, but that does not mean that they made them ‘nice’; only that they made life more tolerable for the inmates and that the Soviet authorities probably were not the inhumane savages that the ruling class wants everybody to believe. Call me a pedant if you want, but I am not the one who brought it up.
I’ve never seen anybody argue this either. Also, there was more than one ‘minor detail’ wrong with an antisemitic anticommie’s story book. What a disingenuous claim. Do some real research (for once) and quit putting all of your trust in fiction.
Sometimes they can be trusted to tell the truth on occasion; you just have to exercise scrutiny and think for yourself. J. Arch Getty is not exactly a hardline communist, but it is clear that his paper Victims of the Soviet Penal System in the Pre‐war Years is more mature and more reasonable than… I don’t know… the John Birch Society. Or the Cato Institute. Or the author of this image.
In reference to…what, exactly? The Red Army killing antisocialist insurgents and agents in eastern Poland, maybe?
I really don’t care what nationality an antisocialist has. @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml is Polish and I almost never even think about their nationality. I suppose that somebody could argue that the Polish populace’s politics tend to be more right‐wing than those of other European states, but people’s politics have little (if anything) to do with their national origins.
You gotta remember we live in separate realities. Going off of NATOpedia, the USSR invaded Poland with the nazis because in the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact they agreed to be each other's best friends forever. So they believe that the USSR was just as bad to Poland as the Nazis.
Anti-communist both think gulags are the most evil thing ever, but wish the worse conditions on prisoners possible
It's because they view prisoners in the US as "deserving" the harshest punishments possible for being evil "criminals", but they cannot imagine that someone in a Soviet prison actually deserved to be sent to prison because they committed an actual crime, in their minds, every single person in a gulag was a 100% innocent "political prisoner"
Gulags were prisons, but they were in fact better than contemporary western prisons, and in some ways better than modern ones too.
Quote from an Anne Applebaum book, a noted anti communist.
“Needing hospitals, camp administrators built them and introduced systems for training prisoners pharmacists and prisoner nurses. Needing food, they constructed their own collective farms, their own warehouses and distribution systems. Needing electricity they built power plants. Needing building materials they built brick factories. Needing educated workers, they trained the ones they had. Much of the ex-Kulak workforces turned out to be illiterate or semi-literate which caused enormous problems when dealing with projects relative technical sophistication. The camps administration therefore set up technical training schools which required in turn, more new buildings and new cadres. Math and physics teachers as well as political instructors to oversee their work. By the 1940s, Vorkuta, which was a city that as mentioned started as a gulag, a city built in the permafrost, where roads had to be resurfaced and pipes had to be repaired every year, had acquired a geological institute, a university, theaters, puppet theaters, swimming pools, and nurseries.”
If we exclude the war years, when there were food shortages and no shortage of Nazi prisoners, death rates in the gag were below that of contemporary US prisons.