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Coercion isn't necessarily the problem - in a society that produces for needs, what if there's not enough people who want to produce furniture for instance? What about agriculture? If you don't meet the quotas, people's needs won't be fulfilled, so some degree of coersion would be necessary.
Maybe, maybe not? I find that your point is probably more valid on big scales encompassing tens or hundreds of millions of people. But I believe that in a "real society" - one where you mostly know and care for other members - people would be much better inclined to spend part of their time fulfilling others' needs. Ultimately I believe that most humans are ok with taking "someone has to do it" jobs and will do them well and with pride, as long as they can see the impact of their work. And trade will always be a thing for "fulfilling needs" across different societies
Yeah, and for things to be traded, they need to be first produced somewhere. If it's a necessary item like insulin or electronics or whatever and lots of ethnostates that you describe need them, then the producers would need to meet a quota or else there'd be shortages.
That's where coercion might come into play that I was previously talking about - what if there are jobs that are required to fulfill people's needs, but there's not enough people who want to do them? You have to somehow force or persuade enough people for everyone's needs to be met and for society to function, and my coercion I don't just mean "threaten with violence" or "make them starve", it could also be more peaceful methods like having some cultural status for being so noble or something.
Whoa buddy, please adjust your reading glasses. I've never talked about ethnicity because my idea of society/community does not involve it. In fact it is quite diametrically opposed to an ethnostate. I do not appreciate you transforming my definition of "where you mostly know and care for other members" into something I am opposed to.
You keep saying "quotas" like something that must exist, and I simply disagree with that. This might be interesting reading.
FWIW, I believe that "labor" as I've described here can be fair and acceptable. I would be ok with working in a chem lab or electronics fab for a part of my day if the "compensation" (loosely) is fair and I believe it is a decent use of my time to improve the world around me.
I wouldn't give a fuck about being made an aristrocrat, and sounds like you're just describing bribery anyway