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I try to lol. I honestly can't imagine what libs actually think is the reason for the war.
The liberals just think that there are inherently evil people like story book villains who have to play the role by throwing a wrench in what would otherwise be a perfectly peaceful and happy capitalist world order since that's what antagonists do. It's a form of Great Man Theory; everything would be fine if it weren't for the bad guys, in this case Putin, who just want to take over for the sake of their own personal vanity. There doesn't need to be any reasons for the war beyond that for liberals. It's only materialists who have to worry about looking for material causes of things.
How can you call yourself a socialist when you support a fascist dictator (Putin) running a failing hyper-capitalist petro-state (Russia) conducting an imperialist war of aggression in Ukraine?
Sounds like you're a liberal just wearing a tattered old Soviet hat. You're the same as Americans cheering on their imperialist adventures.
How can you call yourself socialist when you lick the NATO boot and repeat US state foreign policy?
Sounds like you're a scratched iberal. You're indistinguishable from a blue MAGA cheering on the us imperialist adventures
I haven't expressed any support for the US or NATO.
You do when you repeat their talking points
So if I was just repeating Russian "talking points" you'd have no problem with that?
It depends on what is being said. Neither @BurgerPunk@hexbear.net nor @Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net did so no I didnt have a problem with that. You on the hand repeated the NATO narrative that Russia is imperialist, indicating that you have a non Marxist understanding of imperialism (because youre a lib) and don't understand the nature of the war
It's impossible to exclude the US, EU and NATO involvement from the whole conflict, including the Maidan coup. Since before 2014, the region was already under a geopolitical dispute. One side (the Ukrainian right) who assumed the government were very much pro EU, ousted the more neutral president and made illegal all opposition parties. So it's not a matter of whether you like Russia or not, this is a geopolitical conflict.
Yeah, that's a good example