Ban PitBulls
Dog bite severity varies by the breed of dog, and studies have found that pit bull–type dogs have both a high rate of reported bites and a high rate of severe injuries, compared to other non–pit bull–type dogs.
Pit bull–type dogs are extensively used in the United States for dogfighting, a practice that has continued despite being outlawed. Several nations and jurisdictions restrict the ownership of pit bull–type dogs through breed-specific legislation.
The sole goal for this comm is to ban pit bulls from every jurisdiction and to treat the remaining ones with respect while every caretaker follows the required safety precautions to keep everyone safe. Dog breeds with documented health issues should also be prevented from being forcibly bred into this world.
Rules:
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Keep it civil.
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No advocating for violence.
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No pit bull advocate gaslighting. Though good faith debates are allowed.
Links:
Dogsbite.org is routinely slandered by the pro-pit lobby, but the site is informative and its data collection procedures are transparent and well-documented.
Pit Nutter Bingo Cliched excuses and problematic arguments pit nutters use.
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To be fair, no one should “debate” pitnutters. They do not have a valid counter argument worth a debate.
Or maybe it's not worth debating with the type of person who uses terms like "pitnutters"?
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.
In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 523 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths.
Non-population adjusted statistics are meaningless, and the fact that you failed to post them even though they are readily presented on that less than neutral site, shows you have little knowledge of statistics or media literacy, and likely lack any desire for an unbiased approach.
Anyways, it is not surprising that a powerful, immensely prevalent, and frequently abused breed makes up a large share of reported dog bites.
Pit bulls are one of the most popular breeds and also make up a very large percentage of strays. Good pet owners simply do not abandon their pets on the side of the road, so we can assume many of these animals belonged to bad owners and likely experienced previous abuse, or were born as strays and have no training.
Many people will adopt these animals off the street, not knowing their previous conditions, and possibly not be the best owners themselves. This can lead to trouble regardless of breed.
Also, the vast majority of dog bites go unreported, and only the most severe cases will require medical treatment or show up in the press. Yes, pit bulls are extremely muscular and capable of quickly dealing significantly more damage than smaller or similarly sized dogs, which is why good training is extremely important.
If your intentions are to protect people from harm, why hyperfocus on such a niche and comparatively insignificant issue? 500 deaths in 15 years? During that same time there were approx 150,000 homicides by gun in the USA. But here we are talking about pit bulls and not guns.
Okay youve convinced me, lets ban guns and pitbulls.
And seatbelts, and airbags, also chemotherapy
This is why they never have a leg to stand on
The fatalaties arent the only issue, they also attack and maul at a higher rate. I wont bother linking anything, no one on either side of this denate has ever been swayed by statistics.
I was mauled by one as a child, took off a chunk of my ear. Before you start victim blaming I was a toddler playing with chalk in our garage. I know several people that have also been mauled (they ask about the ear). The dogs are just more dangerous than other dogs and need to be addressed.
I have no desire to victim blame, and I am sorry that you had that experience.
But the fact is, simply presenting a few personal anecdotes is a very weak argument for passing legislation.
Problem is that the statistics that should be used seem to fall on deaf ears when it comes to people that are laisez faire about pit bulls like you. So which is it you want? Stats or anecdotes?
Which ever one best fits their desires at the time. You give them anecdotes, they want statistics. You give them statistics, you get whataboutism.
How would it make sense that it's a child or a dogs fault that happened to you? The fault lies exclusively with the dog's owner, nobody else is responsible. Not you, not the dog.
Per an ER doctor: dog bites he saw weren't majority pit bull, they were larger breeds like shepherds and retriever type dogs, however the pit bill bites were always more devestating to tissue or lethal. I don't have source handy, sorry
You should check out the statistics on people killed by seat belts …
And then compare them to people saved by seat belts. You're free to not wear yours if you think it's a good idea, I'll continue wearing mine.
So then compare them to people not mauled by dogs?
This is a pure bias argument and you just made my point.
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Seatbelts are a net positive in lives saved. Non-working dogs are not.
Are you legitimately saying that dogs generally are not a net positive for humans?
Or do I need to pull the statement back to “cars” so it tracks with you?
We don’t NEED cars, in fact 100% of car deaths involve them.
Arguing here appears pointless. Onlookers can see what's correct and neither of us is going to change their mind.
Hilarious. I still won’t debate a pitnutter no matter how wordy their denial.
Perhaps if I valued your opinion I’d take the time to deconstruct that wall of nonsense.
You're losing out in this debate, mate.
Although their weird left turn into gun homicide didn't do them any favors.
Lmao. Can pitnutters read? I’m not debating.
Good luck in life.
I’ll do great. I stay away from pitbulls.
Me too lol
Any dog can be unpredictable and bite. The difference with a pitbull is they’re tough as nails. I tend to agree, a dog’s upbringing matters. There’s really no bad dog, just bad owners, but even the dogs with great owners have bad days. Just like us.
https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/are-pitbulls-dangerous/
If any gun can shoot by shitty trigger discipline, I rather be shoot with a BB gun. Even .22 is of the charts for me. There are dogs prone to become bad dogs. They are breed for their behavior. Nature and nurture is true, but there is only so much an owner can do with a schizophrenic dog with killer jaws.
But sure, pebbles wouldn't hurt a fly. He only goes for human arteries
I see people arguing across each other. The 'no bad dog' crowd doesn't want to blame the dog, and the 'no pitbulls crowd' wants some harm reduction, 'less dogs on the streets'.
I think both could agree that the actual dog isn't evil.
Linking a pitnutter website to defend against facts and statistics about this horrible breed establishes what I said in my original comment.
This isn’t a debate and you’re definitely a pitnutter in search of a personal education.
Goodbye. Enjoy your mauling.
Pitbulls should be banned but there's always going to be a "worst breed" at the top of the mauling list. It's even worse than that. If pitbulls were banned, breeders would immediately create a new breed that's just as bad as pitbulls because some people define their image by their pet.
Breeders need to be banned.
I’ll settle for a pitbull ban. It’s insane how religious people become about embracing the lies around this breed.
It's actually mental, we arent saying kill every existing pitbull, just ban the breeding of them.
I find this interesting. I’d never seen this group. I care about far greater things, not pitbulls.
Edit: I will add that I’m against dog breeding, period. I’d never buy a dog.
China has 55 million pet dogs and reports 12 million dog bites or attacks a year.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13880292.2024.2441000#abstract
Meanwhile the US has 98.7 million pet dogs and reports 4.5-4.7 million dog bites or attacks.
Pit bulls are banned in China. The difference is human culture, not the dogs. In China it is common to train guard or attack dogs and there is also an unaddressed problem with feral (i.e. untrained) dogs. Because of this they have nearly half the pet dogs but more than twice the attacks.
It's both. And they correlate. Why would anyone choose a pitbull?
Its not both as the data I posted shows. China has virtually no pit bulls and yet is has more dog bites per capita. That proves human culture alone is the defining factor in the problem.
As for why anyone would choose a pit bull, they are adorable, playful and affectionate companions when socialized and trained, exactly like any large dog.
Pit bulls are only banned regionally in China.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-ban-pit-bulls
the chinese dog bites are bites of roasted dog tho 😆
I love pitts, but the statistics don’t lie. Pitt bulls represent two-thirds of all dog attacks. The next closest breed isn’t even close. It’s not their fault they were bred to be this way, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore a violent behavior that could present at any time, even if the dog was raised in a loving environment.
I’ve seen it happen - an eight year old pitt with no history of behavioral issues and always gentle with humans and other dogs, one day just attacked another much smaller dog who was already cowering away. It’s not a case of a bad dog or bad owners. It’s just instinct. But we have a responsibility to be aware of it and take appropriate measures to prevent it from happening.
You only have the statistics for western countries where there is a culture of raising them as attack and guard dogs.
In a hypothetical situation, if every breed was banned except for Chihuahuas.
Would there be more/less/equal amount of dog mauling?
If you say anything other than equal, you understand that dog breeds have an impact.
And if you say equal, you'd be wrong.
IIRC small dogs are more aggressive towards humans than larger dogs, because it wasn't necessary to breed out the trait. The Chihuahua can't do shit to people.
Chihuahuas top the list for biting.
I would counter that by saying that if Chihuahuas were the size of pitbulls, there would be far more maulings.
Dog breeds do have an impact, but it is never more than the impact of training. ANY breed in the same weight class of a pitbull can be trained to be equally dangerous. The problem is the cultural practice of raising attack dogs and the cultural preference of pitbulls. If you banned pitbulls without changing this culture, they would just start preferring cane corsos, German shepherds, and the like. It makes as much sense as thinking banning AR-15s would fix the gun problem.
Sister manages a vet, 30+ years. Mom ran an spca and then ran the region in her 20-odd years before retiring.
Pitbulls are massively demonized. Dogs pick up on the scent cocktail from stress. You wanna get chomped you go with Chihuahua or a terrier. Corsos and even rotties are still more risky, by the numbers.
Without MSM boosting pitty stories, you'd be more comfy knowing they're second only to goldies for being chill. Really really, donkey.
Let's ban Chihuahuas too then. Not because they're dangerous though.
Absolutely. People forget that all dogs are pack predators that you are inviting into your house. Any dog may bite and all need training and socialization. I guarantee the owner knows exactly why the dog bit them.
The most violent dog I ever met was a little demonic Chihuahua and the biggest marshmallow of a dog was a Doberman. I knew a massive rottie that lost an ear while murdering the fuck out of a beaver, but would be gentle as could be with kids. I owned a standard poodle who could be absolutely terrifying, but only because she was heavily abused by her previous owner. With a lot of training and patience, she because the best dog I've ever had.
You're absolutely right about pittys being more like Golden's than anything. They are big dopey cuddlebugs who love nothing more than romping around playing with kids. Its amazing seeing how gentle and patient they are when a young child is climbing all over them.