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It's tiring to go over the evidence again and again, but if someone could post the master post for any lurkers that might be curious?
Xinjiang Masterpost
Does anyone have working links or other sources for rebuttals to the forced sterilization claims, specifically in the UN report?
The archive links in that post are not working for me.
The UN report, by which I assume you mean the OHCHR report, is essentially a credulous repackaging of Zenz and the propaganda network surrounding him. Their discussion of sterilization goes no deeper than, "we interviewed a small number of women who say they were forced to have abortions or IUDs". Given their credulousness on Zenz claims and satellite imagery analyzed in bad faith by teenagers, it is highly likely that they are referring to claims already made publicly by a small number of people paid to run NED-funded groups to push propaganda regarding China and Uyghurs. People that end up living in Washington, DC for some reason. The report simply claims to find these stories credible but do not provide evidence or rationale for this.
Though even if we assume the opposite, that these are other people and their accounts are credible, it is a couple people out of millions in Xinjiang. The allegations are that this is mass internment of an ethnic group on the basis of religion and the OHCHR cites Zenz-incompetently-interpreted government reports to say how massive the campaign is. Yet their direct evidence remains virtually nothing. They instead rely on implications from dry statistics about birth rates from only 2 points in time that have multiple reasonable interpretations even when not using Zenz's incorrect editorializations.
From what I can remember they also 'misplaced' a comma in the data so the forced abortion rate looked 10 times higher
Well they don't publish a forced abortion rate, just an IUD insertion rate. But yes they fucked the math in a basic error to make it appear that something like 80% of all IUD insertions in China during that period were in Xinjiang.
yea thats the one
Thanks it’s been a while since I read the report and couldn’t remember if that section was another one where they used Zenz or what the source of the claims was.
It's basically all Zenz and ASPI but they do the thing that high schoolers do when they want to just repeat what Wikipedia says but aren't allowed to cite it directly: cite the sources on Wikipedia.
Sometimes with archive.org going older works. I think these are the ones you want?
https://web.archive.org/web/20220908012316/https://twitter.com/abovetheclouds/status/1404918115423633414
https://web.archive.org/web/20220719164745/https://twitter.com/abovetheclouds/status/1373319168842469377
Thanks these worked for me now!
Great, welcome!