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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)
  • Food Frequency Questionnaire administered asking about 1 year of food administered once

I don't think you read that whole part of the study. The direct follow-up to that reads: "Validation of the dietary habits was primarily by comparison with 6 24-h dietary recalls administered by telephone in a representative validation subgroup (1100 participants)." (Per the methodology section.)

From there, I'm not going to discuss the other points because I know neither you nor I are qualified to interpret primary medical literature; we should leave that to the experts, and I'm not going to fan the flames of this by doing something I'm not qualified to do. But I can objectively point out that your last bullet point is highly selective and misleading. I can also point out for readers at home that "Compares only against the standard American diet*" isn't necessarily true? You're assuming omnivorous Seventh day Adventists generally follow that diet similar to the general population, and moreover, you subscribe to a pseudoscientific diet which is notoriously even less healthy somehow. There is no reason people should trust you to interpret primary medical literature when your qualifications are that you follow and advocate a diet which the medical community considers deeply unscientific and very unhealthy.

* I'm not sure where you got the term "SAD" from, but it's generally called the "Western pattern diet".

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey no fair updating your post with insults after I responded nicely to you.

can also point out for readers at home that

Your just grand standing, you don't want to talk to me about what I wrote at all.... That is a bit rude.

There is no reason people should trust you to interpret primary medical literature when your qualifications are that you follow and advocate a diet which the medical community considers deeply unscientific and very unhealthy.

That is just an appeal to consensus fallacy, anyone who wants to learn more is welcome to discuss, ask question, etc at !carnivore@discuss.online but that has nothing to do with this post at all. My analysis of the posted study does not rely on my personal dietary choices.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The direct follow-up to that reads: “Validation of the dietary habits was primarily by comparison with 6 24-h dietary recalls administered by telephone in a representative validation subgroup (1100 participants).”

Yup! But they were validating the globally administered FFQ, so that doesn't change the rigor of the data, just the confidence in the FFQ.

I know neither you nor I are qualified to interpret primary medical literature; we should leave that to the experts, and I’m not going to fan the flames of this by doing something I’m not qualified to do. But I can objectively point out that your last bullet point is highly selective.

I am trained in the maths, so I can speak to the weakness of the signal here.

Did you happen to look at my post on standards of evidence? I welcome feedback, and I know you do care about data and science even if we disagree on diets, so I would appreciate your thoughts. https://discuss.online/post/25820268

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jet, I can't honestly take you seriously when you follow a carnivore diet. I'm sorry. It's like someone who believes in autistic enterocolitis trying to debunk a study about vaccine safety. That's the heart of the matter: your interpretation of scientific literature is so asinine and filled with disinformation that I honestly believe you believe this but also have to acknowledge that talking with someone on a carnivore diet about nutrition science is pigeon chess. "It's not me who's wrong! It's the entirety of medical academia and all of the health institutes who are wrong!"

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

your interpretation of scientific literature is so asinine and filled with disinformation that I honestly believe you believe this but also have to acknowledge that talking with someone on a carnivore diet about nutrition science is pigeon chess.

Shouldn't our divergent views be manifest in our standards of evidence? We might be stuck in a loop of pre-selecting a conclusion before examining the data, hence our inability to be empathetic to the others conclusions.

I don't need you to agree with me, but if you can speak to my consistency of evidentiary standards we could have a productive discussion.

“It’s not me who’s wrong! It’s the entirety of medical academia and all of the health institutes who are wrong!”

Not the entirety! https://thesmhp.org/

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Jet, linking me to the SMHP this would be like me linking you to the PCRM in a reality where the broader scientific community supports an animal-based diet. "Not all doctors believe that! Check out the PCRM!" in a world where an exclusive carnivore diet reduces the rates of major chronic diseases by double digits, and you'd tell me I'm cherry-picking like the far-right cherrypicks climate scientists who don't believe in man-made climate change.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 day ago

Closing the loop on soliciting feedback on my evidentiary standards process: You can't look at it because you know you disagree with my conclusions. That seems rather circular

A document which answers many of the critiques you brought up in your post edits above (wrt SAD).

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm simply providing counter evidence to the blanket statement that "the entirety of medical academia and all of the health institutions that are wrong"

I'm reading what you wrote, and responding to it as written, I'm taking you seriously, which I hope you do for me as well.

you’d tell me I’m cherry-picking like the far-right cherrypicks climate scientists who don’t believe in man-made climate change

Now your just putting words in my mouth.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Okay, to be fair, that's what I'm hoping you would say to me in that reality. Even with animal ethics at stake in that alternate reality, I would hope you'd call me out. When I say the entire biology community believes in evolution, the entire climatology community believes in man-made climate change, and the entire medical community believes vaccines do not cause autism, that isn't a literal mathematical universal qualification; it's saying that the support is so overwhelming that any dissent is absolutely negligible and not even worth considering.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 day ago

it’s saying that the support is so overwhelming that any dissent is absolutely negligible and not even worth considering.

If that is your worldview on things you believe no wonder you always end up attacking me and my character.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 day ago

I think it was based on AHS-2 - https://adventisthealthstudy.org/studies/AHS-2

90k people, only one FFQ administered at the 2-3 year mark, no FFQ followup. The study started in 2002-2007; So we are 23ish years into the study and the last FFQ was done 21 years ago.

It is a confounder that really does need to be highlighted when examining the publications.