It's been a while since I've posted a Jake Broe video, but I think this is a particularly good one, where he expresses that recent events have boosted his confidence, so now more than ever he is convinced Ukraine will win.
It contains a lot of "good" news from Russia. Good news except for the Russians of course. 😋

[+] nesc@lemmy.cafe -24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

There is no 'win' scenario for Ukraine, unless r*ssia just evaporates, at best this war ends without (additional) significant loss of territory and people.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

How about,
1 Russian economy tanks.
2 people grow angry and revolt.
3 people string Putin up like Mussolini
4 new gov withdrawals troops
5 Ukraine retakes all territories including crimea.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, I edited my comment.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

👍 Looks much better now. 😀

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is a very soviet way of thinking.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The obvious win scenario is to get their territory back, and become member of EU and NATO.
If they become member of NATO, they can have NATO troops stationed, so another attack by Russia is an attack on the alliance.
And Europe is scaling up our defense dramatically, so we can help both more and way quicker if Russia should attempt an invasion into Ukraine again.
So yes there absolutely is a win scenario, and the above is what almost all European countries are helping Ukraine to achieve.

Apart from that, when Russia loses the war, there is a chance that the Russian federation will fall apart.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe -2 points 5 months ago

I'm sorry but nato is paper tiger that is already folding before r*ssian agression, and they aren't even at war with them yet. Poland and Romania both were attacked by shahed drones and essentially their response was nonexistent. Obvious scenario of getting territory back doesn't exist, last attempt (Kherson counterattack) was fucked up by same nato and European partners not delivering hardware while demanding operation to start anyway. Every month r*ssian cockroaches are moving a few kilometers.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If anything, ruZZia already lost and Ukraine already won this war simply because ruZZia could not (and will not. Yes Ukrainians are tired, but their army and the support from EU is much better that at the beginning, while ruZZian situation is the exact opposite) achieve any of its goals from 3 years ago.

So the question is not whether there's a win scenario for Ukraine, but how bad ruZZia will lose.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is sophistry, in no way survival is winning the war. r*ssian partners are a lot more consistent and deliver more by large margin. They didn't even started mass conscription yet. European partners are inconsistent and slow, they fear and pay r*ssians, for fucks sake both Poland and Romania were attacked multiple times by shahed drones and they fear to even destroy them every time.

Ukraine is getting tired of winning so hard, 500+ long range drones last night, multiple attacks with ballistic and cruise missiles. Pavlograd and Zaporizzha and Kyiv were attacked with dozens of people dead.