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You raise a fair point; my earlier statement was misleading. The masses in general were not yet Christian, but the Christian minority showed a remarkable fervour that the rich no doubt noticed and were eager to exploit:
(Emphasis added. Source.)
The ability for a minority to seize state power was a structural defect of the Roman Empire:
(Source and more here.)
Sorry to overwhelm you with text, but I hope that this helps regardless.
I think a part of it as well is how the Roman state religion was heavily ossified at the time, and had a fair bit of power and influence that the Emperor couldn't easily deal with. But if he converted to a new religion, it would create a new religious power structure that he could benefit from. Constantine also made a brand new capital in Constantinople, another means of moving away from the established power structure in Rome. It might have been a shrewd decision to try and consolidate his power.
I'm not sure I buy Faulkner's analysis, especially this part:
I am not super familiar with the literature here, but it seems like a lot of this is resting on early church propaganda; see this thesis, for example.
Re: Kautsky, I'm not really seeing how that relates to the earlier point that the emperor was bowing to the popular will. Is the implication here that the army became Christianized, and so Constantine had to follow suit in order to keep up appearances? I'm not seeing anything to that effect on the linked page. If the implication is that greater members of the aristocracy were joining up and that threatened the political feasibility of polytheism, then there's a contradiction between that and the earlier point that it was the appeal of Christianity among the oppressed (per Faulkner) that lent momentum to the early Church.
Personally, I think Damascusart has the right take. It seems like conversion was more of a convenient way to consolidate power - something similar to Akhenaten's establishment of monotheism in Egypt several centuries prior. Polytheism ended up winning and Akhenaten was practically erased from history after his death, so the question of why Constantine didn't get similar treatment should be addressed, but I'm not seeing popular opinion as a credible explanation.
Okay, you win.