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We had a choice between one monster, and another (there were other options, but both monsters fought to keep the non-monsters off the ballot). Sure, one monster was a bigger, meaner monster, but the other monster was still pretty damn evil. Maybe next time we should be allowed to pick someone that isn't evil, for a change.
It will never cease to amaze me that people blame the voters for being disgusted with the candidates, rather than blaming the parties for choosing such awful candidates.
Do nothing??? Look at the DSA getting zohran mamdani into position over shoe-in and sex pest cuomo. Organise with others and dont vote newsom
You do realize the error with this utility calculation, right? A few more years of this style of "pragmatic liberal utilitarianism" will have you voting for a Dem who wants 9 genocides over a republican who wants 10. You'll find yourself voting for 2036 Dem candidate Ted Cruz as he runs against the republicans' candidate of Mecha Hitler.
This strategy isn't sustainable, and what you've shown is that there is no number of Palestinian children you wouldnt sacrifice to bide time for your crumbling oligarchy. At some point, we have a moral duty to the victims of our imperialism to simply dismantle our genocidal country.
Is your genocidal country (A) Russia, or (B) China? Its hard to tell but we know that both countries have populations so stupid that they allowed dictators to steal their entire governments. We know that Chinese imperialists invaded Tibet to annex their territory and Russian imperialists invaded Ukraine to annex their territory and they do indeed have a moral duty to dismantle their governments.
least callous seppo
"If you weren't outraged by us providing the weapons to bomb brown kids it would probably be us providing the weapons to bomb black kids, there is just no winning with you people..."
They got to commit genocide on the palestinian people because of the seppo governments assistance. The occupation regime of west palestine would cease to exist if not for your government.
I also said nothing about you bombing anyone, you provide the bombs and let others do the dirty work.
Also what kind of argument is "they were going to commit genocide anyway, might as well help them?"
Thats... called a hypothetical. Hypotheticals allow you to do thought experiments - which are not some conniving, underhanded, or fallacious way of arguing.
If, hypothetically, in 30 years, your choice is between a democrat who wants 10 genocides and a replublican who wants 11, will you still be militantly democrat?
What are you talking about, after bernie got ratfucked people rallied behind killary because she is (supposedly) the lesser evil and then got genocide joe. So they rallied behind genocide joe because supposedly he is the lesser evil and then got killemalla (and he was shuffled off not because of his genocide, but because he was bad tv). So they rallied behind killemalla because she was the supposed lesser evil and now the dems are focustesting gruesome newsom. Your theory is the one that has been the mainstream since 2016 and look where you are now.
But you seemingly have a tolerance for Genocide?
well educate me then...
It's more likely bad faith tankie Stalinism. One of the chief features of Stalinism is that they view other leftists as their main enemy, not conservatives.
Pot meets kettle mate
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Who is doing nothing? We're fighting for change, we are pushing for parties that are fighting for the people. We were litteraly in the streets, when the Democrats were out to brunch, while the Democratic leaders were bombing kids, and backing genocides.
Your analogy is flawed, btw. A more apt analogy would be terminal-cancer, or less-severe-terminal-cancer. So... congratulations on supporting the cancer, instead of helping the people who are suffering from cancer.
Protests, pushing for 3rd parties and politicians that have a record of actually doing something, funding anti-police and military groups, funding homeless-shelters and health-care for people in need.
I find this rich coming from some one who is defending the Democrats.
Actually you shoot the person who is forcing that choice on you in the face, and you beat-up his enablers. You don't accept cancer and broken-bones. Goddamn I fucking hate liberals.
Speak for your damn self.
The left is so fractured and infested with idealists that they can't be fucked to vote for someone that is 80% of what they want vs 10% of what they want. That's what this whole thing boils down to. We have two parties. That's it. If we had a system like Germany we may be able to create change. We can't here. Lesser of two evils is the only option.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Yeah, you're right, better to back the GOP instead.
There are non-capitalist candidates on the ballot, try voting for them.
I never said that. There is an easy way to keep the GOP out: Put up a candidate with policies that the voters want. But the Democrats seem pretty allergic to that.
That's literally what you're saying... The vast majority of us agree on the bullet points and are very frustrated by the state of the US system.. but in the face of what we are dealing with, we really don't have the luxury of only voting for the perfect candidate. We know the Democrats suck. We get it. Lame Democrats or Authoritarian Republicans. Terrible options but clearly one is better than the other.
It's literally not what I'm saying. I also never said that one party wasn't better than the other. You are the one claiming that we're waiting for a "perfect" candidate, I'm saying that we just want someone that isn't a monster, and the Dems refuse to deliver on that.
If they would stop supporting the facists, and stop handing the elections over to them, we'd have better options. But they'd rather lose and keep supporting facists, than allow the voters to pick someone that isn't a monster.
What's making the Democrats fascist? Clearly the Trump administration is fascist. But the Democrats? That's a bit of a stretch.
Who said anything about making the Democrats fascist? Are you replying to the right comment?
Probably not!
We're aware who is fanning the flames. We also see Democratic politicians holding a match and a can of gasoline, and we're told that it's our fault for asking for something better.
Voting for the lesser of two evils for 40 years got us Trump. So maybe try something else.
Yeah, maybe try non participation like this other guy. You can only live out the fantasy for so long before you have to vote for a less ideal candidate. And trying something else is???? Voting for a different primary candidate? Or you're saying sitting out is trying something else? Either way, the stance is milquetoast.