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Hey all. I'd like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a 'ceding the issue' way. Over the past year I've been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I've internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it's taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we've roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I'll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we'll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
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~~The current emote for it is terrible. What's with the fist? ~~ Ok apparently it's the symol of the Stern Gang so it's not terrible, but it still muddies the message. The message should be clearly and unequivocably: fuck the nation-state of Israel, and making it the one flag that doesn't get a burning emoji is still treating it with kid gloves. Giving that flag special consideration is not ok and is disrespectful to all the innocent people who've been murdered by that military base masquerading as a country.
It's antisemitic to conflate Israel with Judaism. Presumably everyone here knows this and doesn't need that explained. As such I do not understand the official Hexbear party line that burning the flag of the country that is actively and enthusiastically committing the active, lethal, exterminationist phase of genocide, "looks antisemitic".
We already get smeared as secret Trumpers by liberals whose brains have been too broken by 9 years of seething over Russiagate cope in order to understand anything. We already get smeared as antisemites by Zionist freaks who think that nobody could care about Palestinians because Palestinians are humans (Zionists do not acknowledge that Palestinians are people), so anybody who says they care about Palestinians must actually just be antisemitic. Pandering to Zionists is not going to make them stop being hateful genocidal freaks.
The optics or having a burning isntreali flag will be confrontational and offensive. But confrontation is what is needed at this moment in history. Not pandering to genocidal fascists. If someone sees that flag and feels uncomfortable, that's an opportunity for them to do some learning and reflection about why they'd feel uncomfortable with it, and why their feelings matter more than criticizing the entity that has enthusiastically murdered what, at least 100,000 civilians by now?
Thinking back to my religious days: If anyone had told me that burning the flag of ISIS was not ok because it's Islamophobic to burn ISIS's flag, I'd have called them a white radlib crackkker, emphasis on the Ks, because equating ISIS and Islam is super hateful toward Islam and extremely disrespectful to all the Muslims ISIS has killed and brutalized.
It's not a 1:1 comparison but there's something transferable.
Related: In 2019 I heard this interview with 3 Jewish MLs who disavowed not only Israel, but the Magen David itself! They went way further in their condemnation than anyone on this site ever does! They said it was a very painful journey to get to that stance, but that's their stance, because Israel has weaponized the Star of David. They argue that other symbols should be used instead, symbols of Judais which have not been used to terrorize, brutalize, oppress, and murder Middle-Easterners. They suggested alternatives such as the hamsa or the pomegranate. They also went pretty deep into the history of symbols in Judaism and argued against the Star on other historical/symbolic grounds which I didn't really follow, not having the cultural background and context.
I thought it was interesting to hear their personal struggles with the symbolism and their attachment to it. I decided while it was interesting, I wasn't able to take a stance on it since I'm not Jewish and the Star of David on the Israeli flag is a co-opted symbol. But I think it's worth a listen for anyone who's struggling with their relationship with these symbols: https://prolespod.libsyn.com/website/special-release-proles-of-the-minyan-ep-1-symbolism-under-zionist-hegemony-dc-dyke-march-the-magen-david-hamsa-flag
Lastly, I was going to take this moment to complain about how the israel-cool emote used to bring up a picture of Hawaiian musician and indigenous rights activist Israel Kamakawiwoʻole, and how disgusting and disrespectful that was. But I see it's been changed.
Couldn't agree more. And this shouldn't even need to be said on a site like this, yet here we are. We have a serious zionist problem on hexbear, and it needs to be gotten rid of.
That was because that Israel is cool, comrade.