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You know what, I'm gonna do a quick rant. I fucking hate this fake AI shit as much as the next person, or more than the next person, but I don't see much engagement here or anywhere with a fundamental question we should answer. The AI industry is fighting against copyright, which, up until like 5 years ago, was a Marxist position. Arguing that Copyright was fundamentally a method of seeking rents and such. Of course, mechanical and now digital reproduction make this situation even worse for artists, but is it our fundamental fight right now to protect artists from copyright infringement (and lost rent) or to destroy copyright in general. It would be difficult and painful in the short term for those that rely on copyright, but society would think of some way to otherwise compensate (we have to believe this is possible, otherwise how will it work once we shift to a socialist society) and the AI industry will fail anyways (because of other contradictions). So should we not tactically Support this AI fight against copyright?
I don't think this is the end point of this argument, and I see the complexities (for example, what if ONLY the AI industry gets exemptions and for the important stuff, copyright only gets stronger?). But I have seen no engagement with this point
I think for me it just seemed like they would just get an exception while clamping down harder outside of it, so yeah not really relevant to the broader fight against concepts like "intellectual property". It would just end up as a further tool of consolidation, where businesses can take whatever they want for unspecified purposes like training AI, and actual creators of art and literature get fucked over repeatedly. The AI industry is fighting to further rent-seek on the distillation of social labor while being exempt themselves from the inter-business rentseeking via copyright.
I agree that this is how it would first happen, but I think that in the long term this will cause giants of capitalism to fight and be a useful part of a socialist strategy. Your last sentence describes exactly the contradiction which we have to deal with, but realize that it's just postponing another fight later regardless of which side we support. I tend to think fucking with the sanctity of copyright is more important for this long term strategy