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A community to satirize conservtive and right-wing "ideals".
This community (now) exists as a pressure valve, a place to process through humor the often frustrating world of conservative politics. Above all, this is NOT the place for serious conservative support/viewpoints/arguments. There are other places on Lemmy for that if you desire it.
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Always follow .world instance rules
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Parody With Purpose: This is a space for humorous takes on conservative politics. We welcome satire, but draw the line at content that promotes racism, sexism, homophobia, or other forms of bigotry.
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Memes Over Manifestos: This community focuses on humor and parody, not serious political debate. There are plenty of spaces for earnest conservative discussion, this isn’t one of them.
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Highlight Contradictions: Sometimes the best content points out inconsistencies and hypocrisies in conservative talking points. Creative commentary is encouraged.
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Public Figures Fair Game: Politicians and pundits can be satirized, but no targeting of private individuals, doxxing, or harassment.
Children of public figures under the age of 14 are also off-limits, a 16 year old has enough free agency to break with or adopt their parents views. An 8 year old kid doesn't.
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A note on ChadMcTruth: Chad's content is 100% satire, but his work can sometimes be hard to tell, but if he posted it be assured, its satire.
- Relevant Content: All posts should relate to conservative politics or ideologies in some way somewhere in your post. Either in the title or the meme itself.
For more general political memes please see !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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Community Respect: Disagree with fellow members all you want, but personal attacks aren’t welcome. Save the criticism for the ideas, not each other.
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Moderation Discretion: Mods will use reasonable judgment in applying these rules. We’ll be fair, but firm. These kinds of comms have a tendency to get off the rails, so we might seem overzealous in moderation sometimes.
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For the moment, i'm allowing properly tagged NSFW content as long as its funny and relevant. Don't make me regret it.
And above all, HAVE FUN!
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Disclaimer, I'm far to the left personally. With that in mind:
One definition is that on the left, everyone should be able to be however they want to be, and you shouldn't infringe people's freedom by telling them they have to be this way or that way, if that's not in their nature. On the right, there's a right way to live and a wrong way to live, and it's okay if the people who are "in the right" and hold some natural authority as a result are telling the people who don't have their act together (financially, life-organization-wise, sexually, whatever) what's what.
I won't say one is right and another is wrong; they apply well or badly in different contexts. Academia tends to be left-wing. Militaries tend to be right-wing. It's generally good to be on the left if you're trying to understand the world and figure things out without a preconceived notion of what the right and wrong answers are. It's generally good to be on the right if you need action, strength of character, ability to defeat your enemies or defend yourself without getting extensively hung up in second-guessing.
This doesn't apply very well to the modern US political landscape, which is pretty far afield of the traditional definitions of left and right, but that's a separate topic.
Let the hate-responses commence 😃
So I think it goes without saying that I don't agree with... well, pretty much any of this. If you really want to talk about this I think it's gonna be a little bit of a hard road, but I'll take a stab at it.
Your whole message is generalities. That's a difficult starting point for a debate, because my generalities are radically different than these, but it's hard to talk about it because these kinds of broad statements are hard to argue for or against factually. It's just my world view versus your world view and us hurling disagreements at each other.
Let's start here: Would you describe Ron DeSantis as a conservative? Would you describe Biden as being on the left? I can talk to you about specific policies from DeSantis and Biden, and how they match up with your generalities, and it can be at least a factual conversation. Also, who are some examples of who you mean by "academics"? (some of the conservative ones who used to be around and some of the liberal ones who are currently around)
Hm. Okay, here's where I'm coming from: I've talked to a lot of people on the right who in my opinion say stuff, or think stuff about the world, that doesn't hold up to factual scrutiny. They hear a lot of people say certain things, and so they start saying it too, but they resist talking about it in a way that pins it down to facts; they just repeat the general viewpoint. I'm asking you specific questions about e.g. who are some academics who exemplify who you're talking about, so I can get my head around what you're trying to say as a specific thing that can be tested factually, as opposed to just a generality.
IDK if that conversation is something you're interested in. Out of curiosity, what college did you go to with all these conservative teachers? I went quite a while ago, and I remember one English teacher who was visibly liberal, and one econ teacher who was visibly conservative, and all the rest were apolitical as far as my knowledge of them.
Can you send me the quote?
Right, on this I think I know exactly what you're talking about and I probably agree with your view on the people you're talking about. A certain section of the academic left in the US has been skating towards something very weird that I think is un-fact-based, in a way that's actually very similar to the way I think a lot of people on the modern American right are un-fact-based.
Hm... I wouldn't be surprised if there are individual universities where particular whole departments are conservative, then and now. Are you basing your whole statement about academia then vs now on your experience in that one department? Because that would be easily believable to me, but I'd hesitate to apply that to the whole of academia.
Again, in this case I actually do feel like I know what you're talking about with a particular brand of left-wing-ism that's become common in academia now that didn't used to be, and if it's what I'm thinking of, then I will agree with you 100% that that particular brand is a bad thing.
This is just super weird. I mean... I get that this particular article says that Putin said once that he can work with Biden and drew some parallels between Soviet history and American history.
What's your assertion with this in terms of what it means about Biden? If you're trying to point to this to say that Biden and Putin are aligned in any way, I think you gotta tell Biden that, because he's more or less fighting a proxy war against Putin right now.
Not the guy you asked, but at least to me, the generality is the issue. It isn't an issue that liberal academics exist such that any single person is worth a call-out, but rather that the academic system as a whole is significantly slanted.
I went through college recently, and between the two universities I was at, both were overwhelmingly liberal (politically speaking) when it came to university policy, and my teachers overwhelmingly expressed liberal political views, and I general, this is backed up by the data. The specific universities I've attended is something I'd rather not divulge here for privacy reasons, but I don't consider it particularly important to the issue since it extends beyond my own observations.
Right, but you get what I'm saying that I don't necessarily agree with the guy out of the gate? We kind of have to dig beyond the generalities in some capacity, if we ever want to get past just shouting the generalities at each other back and forth.
This, I can 100% agree with. I talked about it in my initial statement - I feel like academia is naturally pretty left-wing, and the military is naturally pretty right-wing, and neither of those is (in my opinion) something anyone has to "fix." It's just a natural product of the environment. More what I was surprised by was the other dude saying that his professors when he went to school were dominantly conservative.
I agree that just shouting generalities back and forth doesn't accomplish anything, but I find that moving to more specific things doesn't help in that kind of conversation anyway, just changes the scope. Rather, I find that discussing the values behind the concern and the effects of the generality to be a better use of time since it doesn't just fall into nitpicking an example. I find that this thread describes it best. Any specific examples often end up being somewhat trivial and arbitrary, when the real concern is with an overall trend
I agree that the slant doesn't need to be "fixed" per se. My issue is largely that the slant is often either entirely ignored when it might call an academic work into question, or used as some stupid "hurr durr right wing hates being smart" type talking point.
It's not always, though.
If someone shoplifts, the police should come by and impose their will on the shoplifter that they're under arrest. If you're raising a child, and the child doesn't want to mow the lawn or keep their room clean, my opinion is that it's your responsibility as a parent to address it in some fashion, instead of just saying "Oh well, he doesn't want to."
This is precisely what I was saying: There are contexts where you can say "X is right and Y is wrong and we need to enforce that," and other contexts where yes, trying to enforce it is some form of human rights violation. There can legitimately be disagreement about which is which, but pretending that everything is the second case is just as wrong as pretending everything is the first case.
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How about if someone breaks in your apartment and threatens your safety? Would you support the cops being authoritarian with them, maybe putting their life in danger if they're resistive against being arrested, in that case?
The question (1) wasn't someone who wants your stuff - it was specifically someone breaking in and endangering you personally (2) wasn't about what you thought might happen if you called the cops; I asked it in a very specific way for this exact reason. If there happened to be police around, or somebody else who wasn't the police, and that person intervened to stop you being assaulted and informed that endangering party that they were breaking the law and tried to forcefully subject them to the consequences of breaking the law. Would you support that action? Or you'd support the burglar's right to be free from authoritarianism in their effort to hurt you?
I'm not trying to be combative with you about it. I do absolutely get the point about not wanting to engage with the justice system if the justice system isn't interested in justice for you and in fact seems dangerous to you. But to me you're clearly taking it to such a broader extreme that I honestly have trouble believing that you'd apply it to that extent as pertains your own life and safety.
I think being able to constructively address the very real problem of police misconduct has to include acknowledging the very genuine reality of "something very bad is happening and violent action is warranted to stop it." Have I understood you accurately, that you're saying you don't think that's true in any case? Because I feel like floating that argument actually makes it more difficult to address the very real problem of police violence, because it makes your viewpoint super easy to dismiss for someone who's into the day-to-day reality of crime and law enforcement.
Care to shoot me a dm with your address then?
Is it wrong for me to want to impose my will onto others and make them not rape kids?
Your straw man fails to account for something very simple. The rapists is imposing their will on the victim, stopping others from imposing their will on others is the line between anarchy
Just saying the name of a fallacy doesn't make your moronic comment any less retarded