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when i first heard about the male loneliness epidemic i was like oh yeah close camaraderie and bonding between men is often discouraged in favor of competition or, if not discouraged, at least filtered through a lens of individualism that precludes deep connections. and then i learned what people meant by it (men arent getting laid) to which i say skill issue

to all the men out there not getting laid: try less hard to get laid and try more hard to be an enjoyable and relaxing presence

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[–] shoo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what to say because you're just talking past any logical argument....

"We can't meet potential partners"

"JUST MEET WOMEM"

I am saying there isn’t a widespread problem

Uhhhh.... OK? You can say that but it doesn't make it true, all trends are pointing away from serious romantic experiences. Nearly 80% of baby boomers experienced a romantic relationships in their teenage years compared to 56% of Gen Z adults. In 2021, 54% of people ages 18-34 reported not having a steady partner compared to 33% in 2004.

women would also be affected

They are? Women and men report dating is harder than it was before. Less singles overall are dating. Women have more fear for their physical/emotional saftey in the modern pseudo-anonymous dating pool.

A big reason it's framed as a male loneliness problem is the significant skew for women to be in committed relationships with older men, leaving younger men with an even larger singles cohort (32% of single women are ages 18-29 vs 51% of single men).

It's not that hard to do the research and have an informed opinion. Just writing everything off as an echo chamber effect doesn't work when there's measurable events in the real world. Unless you have actual evidence that it's a problem with their collective dating efforts then there's no argument to be made. It's not even based on anecdotal evidence, you're just saying you think all these commenters haven't tried your advice.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are you referencing the pew research study that also found that a large percentage of those men weren’t looking for a relationship

Or the part where they define single to include casual relationships

One of the top reasons women didn’t want to date a man was Donald Trump

Men who were looking had their number one reason being “hard for them to approach people”

Did you also see the part where women were the ones most likely to say dating is harder now than it used to be largely out of fear of harassment

And while 12% say it’s harder to date because of technology 41% say it’s easier to date because of technology

You do know it’s possible to read information analyze that data and use it to form an opinion but since you don’t actually seem interested in that opinion and all you want to do is attack you can do that by yourself

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

I give up. You're just saying things for the sake of saying them. Literally none of that supports your hypothesis that it's a personal failing that can be cured by getting hobbies.

  • The complaint about relationships being casual and not progressing is a major complaint found in other studies. It is, in fact, possible to go on dates and get laid without obtaining the benefits of a committed relationship.
  • Again, the political split by gender is obvious. But you're dismissing how wide the rift is and why it's happening, just chalking it up to a personal failing.
  • What are the factors that are making it hard to approach? Why is that felt so broadly? This goes back to the flaw in your argument, stating the end goal as the solution.
  • The harassment concern is the flip side of the approach problem. There's no evidence that dating is actually more dangerous than before, so why is there this chilling effect? How is that a problem that can be fixed by individual effort?
  • Dating apps have an overwhelming negative perception for actually landing a serious relationship. A majority of users reported using them without being open to long term commitment. See bullet 1.

You really sound like someone who hasn't dated recently or knows any young people in the dating pool. Of the people I know, the research fits their complaints to the letter. They do work harder on self improvement than older generations ever did (mental health, physical health, public image on social media, etc...) with no results. Saying just go meet people is condescending, like a boomer telling people to get jobs by handing out printed resumes.