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AOC wrong: More civilians die when we send Israel 'defensive weapons'
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Yes, let's make this about the most progressive figure in the conversation, and not the supermajority of conservative bastards who openly want civilians dead.
Yes because the progressive movement are the ones supposed to not support genocide. If they pretend to represent the left then they will get blasted extra hard for acting like a neo Nazi.
I care about the most progressive force in the US Senate about as much as I care about the least genocidal Fr*nch soldier in Algiers
If these are the progressive reformists, then it's probably time to realize that status quo won't change if them or DSA were magically put in charge. They're still part of the ruling class and have their interests, the only way to achieve actual change is via workers themselves organizing and making change happen - that's the actual role of the left, not praying that some kind capitalist candidate brings about change for them (they won't as seen historically).
But at the same time, workers aren't likely to "have enough" and organize on their own, instead opting to keep clinging onto this false hope and keep rallying behind "least bad" option, so the situation is abysmal.
And how'd that work out, last year? Did attacking Harris make things better in general? Or even on this specific issue?
Last year "was not the time" to criticize democrats. Is now also not the time? Please provide a timetable so everyone knows when it's convenient.
I wonder if Lenin ever ceased to attack Kerensky so the tsar could be overthrown? If he ceased his criticism of the Trudoviks? If he spoke out in support of progressive reformist of the Kadets? A socialist is not the attack dog of democrats, they are not a "proud boys"- type militia to be called upon and leashed again.
I think that is the concept that libs and socdems have of the modern far left (especially in the us)
'Attacking the preferable option is fundamentally counterproductive.'
'When will it not be?'
Incorrect.
Thank god you're here to let everything get worse.
It worked out just like we warned them it would. Maybe next time, the Democrats should listen to their voter-base.
We did it, Patrick!
To answer the question, it didn't make things better, but it didn't make things much worse either - the status quo is preserved as always. The concentration camps that Trump is boasting about (such as the Alligator camp or whatever it's called) were previously opened by Biden, ICE was also being maintained to forcefully deport people, Israel is still being funded all the same by the US whether it was Trump or not, the only difference that Trump is being more open about these things and are expanding these operations which isn't good at all but doesn't shake the status quo at all.
Harris didn't address any of these things, in fact she promised to expand on anti-immigration as part of opportunism.
At the same time, that's the wrong question to ask - merely making things better isn't enough given how it can always be reversed when wind blows a slightly different way no matter the party. What needs to happen is for the present state of things to change entirely, that's the only way towards permanent improvement for the majority, which is what I meant in my original comment.
'1920s Germany also had cops and racism' is tacit denial of what got worse in the 1930s.
Not aided by straight-up lying about the Florida concentration camp, because god damn, you have a psychological need to blame the previous democrat for every evil done by republicans. Ron Desantis built that camp last month. Can't let that stop you from recycling time-vampire nonsense about Obama also separating children... from child traffickers.
Natural-born citizens are being snatched off the street and maybe shipped to foreign prisons the same day, but hey, I'm sure that was status quo under Biden. We had immigration laws and cops were shitty, so that's totes mcgoats the same thing as publicly salivating about rounding up sixty-five million people.
It's called party discipline. 🙄