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[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He was right only about the numbers.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

A lot of people can’t and won’t learn “virtue”. This is a fact you can observe with your own eyes by simply going outside and looking at how many people despite having all the tools to learn to be better refuse to do so. Plato was right.

[–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"What is virtue? How can it be taught?" - Socrates

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

You can’t, thus you condition through coercion.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"I figure that's just the human material, and him that finds in it cause for anger and dismay is just a fool for expecting better. "

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

It is because I do not expect them to do better that I believe Plato is right. If people are not able to willingly make themselves better then we need to resort to coercion, the noble lie.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Ok Leo Strauss