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[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not sure why some conservatives are starting to defect on this issue though. Maybe they’re nervous about losing super-exploitable labor.

I think in a lot of cases it's that they never really put real thought into their support for mass deportation, or if they did it was based on a childish understanding of immigration being millions of criminal immigrants coming here to do crimes. Now they're seeing mass raids, snatching randos on the street, no focus on criminals, maybe their family members, neighbors, or workers grabbed - people they thought were "the good ones". The right wingers really don't think shit out, I got into an argument with a weed dealer not too long ago who was in support of these raids and had never considered that he's a fucking criminal who could be subject to birthright citizenship revocation and deportation to a prison camp in some other nation to rot and die.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

It's the recurring thing where they have zero empathy until it impacts them personally. Dick Cheney's gay rights etc etc

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think it is similar to how support for Zionism has dropped, even in the islamophobic west, despite the world's most sophisticated propaganda machine's best efforts.

Supporting Zionism when your image of Zionists is respectable men in suits talking about democracy and your image of Palestinians is cartoonish scary Arabs using scary Arabic words. Supporting Zionism is a completely different thing when you have seen Zionists proudly showing off the lingerie they've looted from someone they've murdered.

There will always be horrible evil people but when it comes to it, actually violence is off-putting to normal people. I think showing how the sausage is made, the violence, the hateful cruelty, is always going to be a very effective antifascist propaganda technique.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

I'm sure all of the people who are surprised by this would have been a-okay if they didn't have to be confronted with it. Like you said, seeing the sausage get made makes the pretend game of right wing politics harder to maintain for a lot of people.