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[-] cook_pass_babtridge@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

Just a reminder of who owns this publication: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Montgomerie

This doesn't absolve Brexit, and I feel Liz Truss is a very convenient scapegoat for a Tory party who has been in power for 13 years.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago

If the ultras had been denied their hard AF brexit and we'd gone for the sensible Norway option of single market access but no political union, then there'd be zero brexit downsides.

So, any brexit cost is down to the Tories failed negotiations and failed implementation

[-] cook_pass_babtridge@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Possibly, but that's entirely hypothetical. This is the Brexit we've got, and it was delivered by mostly the same people who were promoting it in the first place.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago

Imagine if someone remotely capable was in charge

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

That's what the Brexiteers I know say - the idea is good but the implementation was bad. It is rather a moot point because they would have to rely on a Tory government to "do Brexit right" and even if they were able to go for a Norway deal, which the hardliners would never have allowed, they have demonstrated a staggering lack of competence.

I voted for lexit, I wasn't expecting a right wing government to implement it

The replacement Agriculture Policy is better than the CAP at least

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

I was aware of numerous good left wing arguments for Brexit, especially the CAP, but I couldn't figure out how it would have been done. You'd have had to somehow get the right Labour government in against the headwinds of a Tory press arguing that voting conservative was the only way to get Brexit done.

The Brexiteers I know say this isn't the Brexit they voted for but it wasn't a complicated multiple-choice referendum, they voted Leave and left implementation in the hands of whatever idiot had clawed their way to the top of the Tory party.

I'm hoping for a hung parliament and the lib dems or SNP make proportional representation a price for power. That would be a massive change, along with replacing the House of Lords with a more democratic upper house.

I think having more representation would make policy better, rather than the current model where winner takes all and policies to suit a small section of the population.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

I'm hoping for that too. However, unless the aliens invade (and perhaps not even then), Labour will get an absolutely crushing landslide victory which means there'll be no need to compromise even within the party and no incentive for electoral reform.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

EFTA was the best of both worlds, but no one wanted to listen.

Especially as the UK was a founding member of EFTA

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