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So when Stalin collaborated with Nazis to kill and chase away my relatives from what is now Ukraine that was imperialist propaganda? Why did so many of my ancestors flee Russia at that time?
Cool story
Your ancestors probably fled because they were nazi collaborators, just like the ukrainians marching with nazi emblems right now
My ancestors were Jewish you psycho
Cool story, but the vast majority of jewish people fleeing Ukraine during Stalin's time were fleeing from Nazis not Soviets, so either your relatives were lying about being Jewish or lying about why they ran, maybe kulaks? Or you're lying about your relatives, or maybe you're just too stupid to remember the details and are filling in the blanks with random propaganda you heard, definitely bullshit of one flavor or another though
TBF, there were also the Jewish Zionist collaborators who sold out the “Mauschel” Jews in exchange for passage to Palestine, and whose grandchildren are committing genocide there right now.
@MonkRome@lemmy.world
You mean the peace treaty he signed with Hitler to stall for time and build weapons after France and Britain refused to join forces with him to fight Hitler.
Have you considered asking yourself why France and Britain refused?
It is quite astounding to blame Stalin, the guy who basically fought Hitler all by himself, for the Holocaust.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
Stalin's actions killed 7-20 million people, intellectuals, minorities, and poor people. At least a million of which were deliberate deaths. People who defend that for political expedience are unquestionably misinformed or evil, take your pick. My family was fleeing for their lives.
I am all for some form of socialism, defending evil people is not how you get it.
Damn, that's a suspiciously wide range.
Does it include Nazi soldiers killed by the red army in world war two? (Spoilers: yes)
This person is mad about dead Nazis
My ancestors were Jewish, they were chased out under threat of death. Absolutely repugnant to claim I'm mad about dead Nazis in that context.
Seems like it's more repugnant for you to be condemning the USSR for killing Nazis
Really telling on yourself that you consider undocumented immigrants morally equivalent to literal Nazi soldiers killed in combat by the people they were invading
Wells that's just a completely incoherent non-sequitor.
I'm not the one condemning the killing of Nazi soldiers, that's you, dog. You're literally doing the "if you fight back against the Nazis, that makes you a Nazi!" bullshit.
Trusting anything the US has to say about it's enemies is always a mistake, and given how well documented our history of fabricating justifications for our foreign policy is it's an extremely stupid one
Wikipedia isn't a source
Wikipedia is a better source than most of what you can find on the internet these days. Its articles provide ample sources that you can check if you like. I'd say Wikipedia is one of the best things the current internet has. But if you don't like it perhaps you would prefer conservapedia.
Incredibly wrong, I had the pleasure of correcting someone else earlier today who posted an excerpt of a wikipedia article regarding financial aid to Palestine as a source, the sole cited source of which was a Times of Israel article which contained no substantiating evidence whatsoever. The only things wikipedia can be trusted to reliably get right are basic scientific articles, anything remotely politically or culturally controversial will be skewed to fit one agenda or another. If the sources for the wiki article are any good then post them directly instead of referring to them secondhand through wikipedia, otherwise you're just knowingly outsourcing a lie. And lol @ suggesting that any criticism of wikipedia must be from a conservative, swing and a miss kiddo.
Wikipedia is a bastion of imperialist propaganda. Until recently it claimed that Israel fought a defensive war in 1967 and did a "preemptive attack". Anyone who actually studied its history knows how blatantly wrong those lies are.
Wikipedia is great for science but awful for anything politics related. Especially if it opposes the Western hegemony. The literal CIA propaganda outlet Radio Free Asia is somehow a "credible source" which they frequently cite whenever they need lies about anything opposing the empire.
My Jewish grandparents on multiple sides were told to flee or die by Stalin's drooling simps. My primary source is many of my great grandparents and the thousands of others that fled Russia at the barrel of a gun. Talk to any reputable Russian historian in the last 50 years and some figure in the many millions is going to come up. We have endless first hand accounts and mountains of historical evidence. To deny this history is like being a Holocaust denier. What exactly is your goal here?
Cool story, unfortunately for you some shit that allegedly happened to your grandparents proves absolutely nothing, and the historians considered reputable on the topic by western powers have been caught making shit up more than once. Trusting what the US has to say about its enemies is always a bad decision, you might be stupid enough to do it but I'm not.
And lol@ your holocaust denial comparison, we've got a shitload of hard evidence for it and fuck all to support your story
So if both first hand accounts and peer reviewed research mean nothing to you what barrier needs to be crossed to provide proof? Or is anything you haven't already predetermined to be true automatically "western propaganda". Also, what motivation would fleeing refugees have to lie about what made them flee Russia? Why would that supposed lie persist long after a perceived benefit through to their descendents?
Lol, this is what liberals think Wikipedia is.
There is peer reviewed research on this topic all over the web. But even in this wikipedia article, for those that are able to use basic reasoning skills, it repeatedly referenced peer reviewed studies for it's numbers. People use wikipedia because it's easy, not because it's some arbiter of truth.
No one wants to provide a bibliography for some random on the Internet who wouldn't accept new information even if I gave you a time machine that placed you at an execution of an academic or business owner during that time. Waste of everyone's time.
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
First-hand accounts without substantiating physical evidence are worthless, we've got thousands of eyewitness accounts of bigfoot and UFOs and every other flavor of inane bullshit. Same goes for "peer reviewed research" without substantiating physical evidence, which you have absolutely none of. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're literally just regurgitating US propaganda that you've put exactly zero effort into verifying, and you're going to continue putting no effort in because it's easier to tell yourself that everyone who disagrees is a tankie/troll/bot/or whatever other thought terminating bullshit you've been fed most recently, confronting the reality that you've been duped and spent a lifetime caping for a genocidal empire would feel bad and you'd rather feel good.
Why is the liberal chain of citations always Wikipedia, and then "My grandparents!". It's so consistent it's like you all have the same script.
I'm not big into ideological labels, but calling me a liberal without evidence is silly. My beliefs most closely align with socialism and progressivism, but I don't believe in blind ideological thinking.
Ok, don't care. Labels are descriptive, not a personal affection.
Oh I have plenty of evidence.
Yup, definitely a liberal
Your comments are evidence dumbass