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You said you were done, I didn't say I was. If you're done, don't respond.
This is all true and also completely irrelevant to the point of contention, not to mention that Israel probably did more war crimes on October 7th than Hamas, as I alluded to before. That fact is also irrelevant on any level but trying to communicate with each other diplomatically, though at this point I am just saying it for the sake of completeness.
You're just pointing to hypocrisy as though the guilt of Israel, the US, and the rest of the western edifice overwrites the rest of reality. It does not.
Here's the issue, people characterizing the overall Israel/Gaza situation as a "war" are doing genocide apologia because Israel is targeting civilians with no military value to exterminate the Palestinian population, and these are being counted like war deaths or collateral damage when they obviously are not. That doesn't mean there isn't a war going on between Hamas and Israel, one where Hamas is defending and Israel is invading. An invasion is still a war if the invading force meets with military resistance. There are just other things going on beside the war, i.e. the bulk of the actual genocide/ethnic cleansing campaign.
The Soviets were also facing extermination, and probably over 10 million people were killed in genocide (ignoring combat deaths and similar, despite the Nazis being at fault for those as well) as part of Generalplan Ost. The Great Patriotic War was an invasion of the Soviet Union and it was, in fact, a war, and I don't think that most of Hamas would deny to you that there is a war happening because that's what happens when two militaries are trying to kill each other, regardless of the moral asymmetry of their positions or whatever else you want to throw in.
The Soviets also committed war crimes. This got exaggerated to make them brutal asiatic hordes in the eyes of white society, first by the Nazis and then in crypto-fascist western historiography. There are many misrepresentations, such as the idea that high command had anything but the utmost hostility toward sexual violence that occurred during the occupations (incidentally we have no first-hand account, forensic evidence, or pictures or video indicating that any sexual violence occurred during the day of October 7th, aside from one claim that Israeli courts themselves rejected, but that's tangential). The Soviets also, though they committed war crimes, did so at an incomparably lower rate than the Nazis, and probably at a lower -- or at worst only comparable -- rate to the western Allies. There are many Germans who fully got away with what they did, but Red Army soldiers generally did not unless it was something benign like summarily executing a Nazi officer (or Katyn, I guess, but I don't think either of us want to get into that).
None of this changes that parts of the Red Army and the general Soviet apparatus did do war crimes, something they themselves partially acknowledge, just as Hamas during negotiations acknowledged the problem of members committing war crimes on October 7th and offering to submit them to court if Israel could conceive of any action toward Gaza other than ceaseless slaughter (it could not).
It would be deeply unreasonable to suggest any sort of blanket condemnation of the Soviets in WWII, just like it would be deeply unreasonable to suggest any sort of blanket condemnation of Hamas in their long war of liberation against Israel. I support both and view their opponents as monstrosities that need to be wiped from the face of the Earth. That does not mean that defensive forces can do no wrong, as much as you are trying to make it so for Hamas with moralizing nonsense that you only double down on as you accuse me of being unfair in how I represent you.